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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Secretary General of the Department of Health (19 Apr 2023)

Pearse Doherty: It is in the findings of the report. Given you have rejected so many of the findings I have put to you so far, I am not sure whether you reject the entire report.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Secretary General of the Department of Health (19 Apr 2023)

Pearse Doherty: Okay.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Secretary General of the Department of Health (19 Apr 2023)

Pearse Doherty: Let us move on to Martin Fraser. Do you accept that Martin Fraser did not have the authority to sanction the approval of this process?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Secretary General of the Department of Health (19 Apr 2023)

Pearse Doherty: He did not sanction it.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Secretary General of the Department of Health (19 Apr 2023)

Pearse Doherty: In your submission to the external review, you said: "the facts indicate that the Secretary to the Government knew all the critical details regarding the proposed secondment and the proposal to increase research funding." Mr Fraser told Ms Quinn, "I was not aware of the details of the processes for allocation of health research funding, or of the potential sources of such funding". He...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Secretary General of the Department of Health (19 Apr 2023)

Pearse Doherty: So you say he had all the critical details regarding the proposed secondment and the proposal to increase research funding. He says that he was not aware of the details or of the processes for allocating health research funding or the potential sources of such funding. Are the potential sources of such funding and the process for allocating them not critical details?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Secretary General of the Department of Health (19 Apr 2023)

Pearse Doherty: Do you have the report in front of you?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Secretary General of the Department of Health (19 Apr 2023)

Pearse Doherty: The report that you have rejected over and over again at this committee meeting. The report by Ms Quinn.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Secretary General of the Department of Health (19 Apr 2023)

Pearse Doherty: I know. I am just-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Secretary General of the Department of Health (19 Apr 2023)

Pearse Doherty: I am just explaining to you what report I am referring to.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Secretary General of the Department of Health (19 Apr 2023)

Pearse Doherty: You say that the letter that went from the CMO to Martin Fraser contained the details, including identifying the health research funding. I have scanned some of this and I have read other parts in greater detail. That letter is contained on pages 28 and 29. Can you reference the point where the CMO identifies the source of that funding? Where does it specifically mention health research?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Secretary General of the Department of Health (19 Apr 2023)

Pearse Doherty: You said in answer to me that it mentioned the source of the funding.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Secretary General of the Department of Health (19 Apr 2023)

Pearse Doherty: Do you accept now that Martin Fraser was not aware of the source of the funding or the process?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Secretary General of the Department of Health (19 Apr 2023)

Pearse Doherty: Do you accept that Martin Fraser was not aware that the funding would be channelled through the Health Research Board? This is an issue because it is competitive funding and it has its own board and it allocates funding. Do you accept that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Secretary General of the Department of Health (19 Apr 2023)

Pearse Doherty: You said earlier to me that the email from Dr. Holohan contained reference to the Health Research Board.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Secretary General of the Department of Health (19 Apr 2023)

Pearse Doherty: Okay.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Secretary General of the Department of Health (19 Apr 2023)

Pearse Doherty: What subsequent letters?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Secretary General of the Department of Health (19 Apr 2023)

Pearse Doherty: The letter of intent referenced-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Engagement with Secretary General of the Department of Health (19 Apr 2023)

Pearse Doherty: Did Martin Fraser have the letter of intent?

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