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Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Financial Statements of the HSE
2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Department of Health
(5 Jul 2018)

Marc MacSharry: I am very much a layman when it comes to medicine. Are these guys just out of college who, having decided they are interested in ear, nose and throat, ENT, applied for an ENT post as a consultant and who then got it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Financial Statements of the HSE
2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Department of Health
(5 Jul 2018)

Marc MacSharry: What would they been before, if, for example, an ENT post is given?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Financial Statements of the HSE
2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Department of Health
(5 Jul 2018)

Marc MacSharry: The President of the High Court, Mr. Justice Peter Kelly, has asked whether this is safe. Is it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Financial Statements of the HSE
2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Department of Health
(5 Jul 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Who answers that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Financial Statements of the HSE
2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Department of Health
(5 Jul 2018)

Marc MacSharry: A clinical director in a hospital group probably plays golf with one of the 134 on Saturday because they are both consultants in the same hospital. Is that not correct?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Financial Statements of the HSE
2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Department of Health
(5 Jul 2018)

Marc MacSharry: They are reviewing and justifying their own position as opposed to somebody else.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Financial Statements of the HSE
2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Department of Health
(5 Jul 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Is it the clinical director of the hospital group or of the hospital itself?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Financial Statements of the HSE
2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Department of Health
(5 Jul 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Apart from support and encouragement, like before, would we not issue a direction as the governing body of health in the country and say this must be done by a certain date? Since it is medicine, I do not think grandfathering such as with auctioneers is the right way to take people along.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Financial Statements of the HSE
2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Department of Health
(5 Jul 2018)

Marc MacSharry: What was the timeline? Ten years?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Financial Statements of the HSE
2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Department of Health
(5 Jul 2018)

Marc MacSharry: I will come in again later.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Financial Statements of the HSE
2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Department of Health
(5 Jul 2018)

Marc MacSharry: To follow up on Deputy Connolly's question, did the Minister approve the cessation or pause of the audit? Does he know about it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Financial Statements of the HSE
2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Department of Health
(5 Jul 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Have no lessons been learned from this crisis about escalating key facts to the Minister? It would appear to be quite big news that we have ceased the audit that could lead to other revelations, as Deputy Connolly said.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Financial Statements of the HSE
2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Department of Health
(5 Jul 2018)

Marc MacSharry: However, he does not know that it has ceased or paused.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Financial Statements of the HSE
2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Department of Health
(5 Jul 2018)

Marc MacSharry: That did not emerge when Deputy Connolly asked her questions. Was there a clinical issue with the audit?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Financial Statements of the HSE
2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Department of Health
(5 Jul 2018)

Marc MacSharry: We know there are 3,000 to be looked at but we have stopped looking at them.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Financial Statements of the HSE
2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Department of Health
(5 Jul 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Like Deputy Connolly, I simply do not understand the psychology of pausing something that was working.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Financial Statements of the HSE
2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Department of Health
(5 Jul 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Internally, the Department believed it was not good enough and paused it. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Financial Statements of the HSE
2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Department of Health
(5 Jul 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Anyhow, Mr. Connaghan is going to give us a blow-by-blow account in writing on that issue. I welcome Mr. Connaghan back. This question is for him. Earlier in the morning we discussed the cervical cancer issue. I asked about disciplinary processes and procedures and so on. Mr. Connaghan said that after the Scally process there is an intention for a conduct investigation – I...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Financial Statements of the HSE
2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Department of Health
(5 Jul 2018)

Marc MacSharry: It sounds a bit bureaucratic to me. It was not a term I had heard before.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Financial Statements of the HSE
2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Department of Health
(5 Jul 2018)

Marc MacSharry: The intention is for a conduct investigation to be commenced by the HSE following the Scally report. Is it Mr. Connaghan's intention to do that?

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