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Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: That is a binary question requiring a "Yes" or "No" answer. Somebody's mistake has cost us €486 million and that person, whoever it may be, was not a member of the public. Is that not correct?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: Would Mr. Watt disagree with what I am saying?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: Is Mr. Watt disagreeing with the fact?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: I cannot understand how somebody at Mr. Watt's level cannot answer that question with a "Yes" or a "No". I am sure everybody else in the country will have the same view.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: It is clearly a Secretary General's position to be able to say "Yes" or a "No". Somebody within the public service made a mistake. There was mistaken legal advice. The advice changed. We ended up with a redress scheme that definitely left people out, but it has cost the Exchequer €486 million to date. Is that not the case?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: Mr. Watt is going back to that, but-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: -----he cannot answer the question.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: The fact that he cannot answer "Yes" or "No" to a simple question.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: But, sure-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: You might as well; we are not-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: -----getting anywhere without it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: I asked for "Yes" or "No" answer as to whether somebody in the public service made a mistake.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: The legal advice came from a member of the public service.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: The Attorney General. Thus, the Attorney General back then was wrong, but the current Attorney General, in terms of his report, is right.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: That is all I asked.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: Hold on a second. That took up two minutes of my time, and I did not get an answer. I will be coming back in.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: It is highly irregular that the Chair be approached by a witness. If a witness wishes to say something, it must be said to the committee.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: I am not sure who this question is for. Recently, a case was settled with St. Luke’s General Hospital in Kilkenny in relation to a patient who died while waiting for a gall bladder operation. Is Mr. Watt aware of this case?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: Mr. Watt saw something about it in the newspapers. Does the Department of Health just pass such a case to the State Claims Agency? If Mr. Watt saw the story in the newspaper, how do we stop it from happening again? Is that the extent of his awareness?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: Will Mr. Watt hold on? To be fair, he just said he saw something in the paper.

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