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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Authorised Push Payments Fraud: Discussion (Resumed) (31 May 2023)

Bernard Durkan: Would the witnesses agree that a possible deterrent might be a realisation by the criminals that this is a dangerous environment in which to work and that there is a good chance of being caught?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Authorised Push Payments Fraud: Discussion (Resumed) (31 May 2023)

Bernard Durkan: Do all European countries have continuous surveillance of the various electronic methods for committing fraud of this nature, especially in relation to monitoring, identifying possible movement, chatter and so on?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Authorised Push Payments Fraud: Discussion (Resumed) (31 May 2023)

Bernard Durkan: Given that continuous dialogue is possible nowadays through electronic media, social media and so on, how do we address that issue? For example, it must be possible to identify movement in the underground, for want of a better description, at an early stage if something is in the offing. Do we have the facility? Can we link into that facility? Can we link into social media to monitor what...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Authorised Push Payments Fraud: Discussion (Resumed) (31 May 2023)

Bernard Durkan: That is fair enough.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Authorised Push Payments Fraud: Discussion (Resumed) (31 May 2023)

Bernard Durkan: I have one last question. Is Mr. Kelly satisfied that he has sufficient resources at his disposal to meet the challenges now emerging?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Authorised Push Payments Fraud: Discussion (Resumed) (31 May 2023)

Bernard Durkan: I thank the witnesses for coming along and sharing important information with us. Many people have been victims of fraud of the types we have been discussing and the committee may return to this issue at a future meeting, to monitor progress and see how we are getting on in this particularly sensitive area.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Report of the Review of the Operation of the Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act 2018: Discussion (31 May 2023)

Bernard Durkan: I welcome the witnesses and thank them for their work over a relatively short time. I welcome the report. I have some questions on which I would like clarification. I come to the table as one who was on the original committee and I see some of my colleagues from that committee here today. On the operability of the Act, it was foreseen that it would be necessary to see how the Act...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Report of the Review of the Operation of the Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act 2018: Discussion (31 May 2023)

Bernard Durkan: Was there any reluctance on the part of any of the hospitals given that not all of them are operating a service?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Report of the Review of the Operation of the Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act 2018: Discussion (31 May 2023)

Bernard Durkan: We had a long discussion on this part of the Bill four years ago in which some of the issues Ms O’Shea mentions were anticipated. However, a reluctance or an inability of a hospital to provide a service was not referred to very much.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Report of the Review of the Operation of the Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act 2018: Discussion (31 May 2023)

Bernard Durkan: This would presumably affect the post 12-week period.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Report of the Review of the Operation of the Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act 2018: Discussion (31 May 2023)

Bernard Durkan: The other issue that comes to mind is the number of women who seek to go overseas to obtain the termination service. How prevalent was that? What were the main causes? Did conscientious objection account for that at all? Do we have precise numbers? We have heard reports in the media of thousands of Irish women going back overseas which is something the legislation was trying to prevent....

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Report of the Review of the Operation of the Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act 2018: Discussion (31 May 2023)

Bernard Durkan: Are they travelling to the same extent as before the legislation?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Report of the Review of the Operation of the Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act 2018: Discussion (31 May 2023)

Bernard Durkan: Do we know how much of a difference?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Report of the Review of the Operation of the Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act 2018: Discussion (31 May 2023)

Bernard Durkan: I do not have very much time left. That is an interesting subject. I will come back to it if possible. My final question relates to the general efficacy of the Act. Has it dealt with the various issues in part, in total or not at all? I note the 61% who made a decision to go overseas made that decision in their own interests, which, of course, they are quite entitled to do, either on...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Report of the Review of the Operation of the Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act 2018: Discussion (31 May 2023)

Bernard Durkan: I have a comment. As I said, I listened carefully. I believe a number of things have become apparent. The most important one is the access to the service envisaged in the legislation that was passed arising from the referendum. I hear what people say about politicians needing to be brave, to be leaders and so on. We know all about that. We are one of very few people who have to go...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Report of the Review of the Operation of the Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act 2018: Discussion (31 May 2023)

Bernard Durkan: -----something serious. I indicated I wanted to get in.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Report of the Review of the Operation of the Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act 2018: Discussion (31 May 2023)

Bernard Durkan: I did not overstay my welcome the last time.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Report of the Review of the Operation of the Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act 2018: Discussion (31 May 2023)

Bernard Durkan: The point I want to make is simply this. There will be a legal challenge. There is no doubt about that in my mind. It will be decided on the basis of whether this changes the legislation. If we are changing the legislation, obviously it is good to do that. I would say that caution is needed. Let us try to make sure that we make available the services that were envisaged in all such...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Report of the Review of the Operation of the Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act 2018: Discussion (31 May 2023)

Bernard Durkan: It is a statement-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Report of the Review of the Operation of the Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act 2018: Discussion (31 May 2023)

Bernard Durkan: -----from one of those politicians who have to go before the electorate every so often.