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Select Committee on Health: Health (Assisted Human Reproduction) Bill 2022: Committee Stage (Resumed) (21 Feb 2024)

Róisín Shortall: Sure.

Select Committee on Health: Health (Assisted Human Reproduction) Bill 2022: Committee Stage (Resumed) (21 Feb 2024)

Róisín Shortall: It is a fundamental question about the status of the child from the point of birth to the granting of a parental order. That could be quite an extended period. Who is the legal guardian in those circumstances? Who has the legal right to make decisions about the child?

Select Committee on Health: Health (Assisted Human Reproduction) Bill 2022: Committee Stage (Resumed) (21 Feb 2024)

Róisín Shortall: Where does that assertion come from? The Minister is saying the constitutional parental right is with the birth mother.

Select Committee on Health: Health (Assisted Human Reproduction) Bill 2022: Committee Stage (Resumed) (21 Feb 2024)

Róisín Shortall: What is the basis for that claim?

Select Committee on Health: Health (Assisted Human Reproduction) Bill 2022: Committee Stage (Resumed) (21 Feb 2024)

Róisín Shortall: Where does that entitlement come from?

Select Committee on Health: Health (Assisted Human Reproduction) Bill 2022: Committee Stage (Resumed) (21 Feb 2024)

Róisín Shortall: I am challenging it because it is the statement the officials have been making.

Select Committee on Health: Health (Assisted Human Reproduction) Bill 2022: Committee Stage (Resumed) (21 Feb 2024)

Róisín Shortall: It is the basis of the provisions in this section on parentage. I am not convinced. I do not know where the principle or assertion comes from.

Select Committee on Health: Health (Assisted Human Reproduction) Bill 2022: Committee Stage (Resumed) (21 Feb 2024)

Róisín Shortall: The only judicial statements in this regard are far from what has been alleged here. They set down an opposite interpretation of constitutional-----

Select Committee on Health: Health (Assisted Human Reproduction) Bill 2022: Committee Stage (Resumed) (21 Feb 2024)

Róisín Shortall: What if she does not?

Select Committee on Health: Health (Assisted Human Reproduction) Bill 2022: Committee Stage (Resumed) (21 Feb 2024)

Róisín Shortall: A whole lot of questions need to be answered in respect of the unknowns during that period. We are talking about things happening ideally as soon as possible and that kind of thing. The three people concerned, the birth mother and the intending parents, have joint guardianship during that interregnum, or whatever you would like to call that period, subject to the agreement of the surrogate...

Select Committee on Health: Health (Assisted Human Reproduction) Bill 2022: Committee Stage (Resumed) (21 Feb 2024)

Róisín Shortall: That is exactly the reason. There is no genetic link. The surrogate carried the baby, but does that confer on her a legal right? From where does that assumption come?

Select Committee on Health: Health (Assisted Human Reproduction) Bill 2022: Committee Stage (Resumed) (21 Feb 2024)

Róisín Shortall: No, it is not. It was.

Select Committee on Health: Health (Assisted Human Reproduction) Bill 2022: Committee Stage (Resumed) (21 Feb 2024)

Róisín Shortall: Where has that been established?

Select Committee on Health: Health (Assisted Human Reproduction) Bill 2022: Committee Stage (Resumed) (21 Feb 2024)

Róisín Shortall: I am.

Select Committee on Health: Health (Assisted Human Reproduction) Bill 2022: Committee Stage (Resumed) (21 Feb 2024)

Róisín Shortall: I am contesting that point in a surrogacy situation where there is no genetic link-----

Select Committee on Health: Health (Assisted Human Reproduction) Bill 2022: Committee Stage (Resumed) (21 Feb 2024)

Róisín Shortall: -----between the baby and the birth mother.

Select Committee on Health: Health (Assisted Human Reproduction) Bill 2022: Committee Stage (Resumed) (21 Feb 2024)

Róisín Shortall: That is an assumption.

Select Committee on Health: Health (Assisted Human Reproduction) Bill 2022: Committee Stage (Resumed) (21 Feb 2024)

Róisín Shortall: With all due respect to the Minister, it is easy to say, "She absolutely is." What is that based on? That is my point. That has been adjudicated on in recent times in the Supreme Court judgment when the court was asked about the registration of the birth. That was the only basis on which a legal right was regarded as existing. That is not the case in respect of the legal parentage of...

Select Committee on Health: Health (Assisted Human Reproduction) Bill 2022: Committee Stage (Resumed) (21 Feb 2024)

Róisín Shortall: On which the assumption is based.

Select Committee on Health: Health (Assisted Human Reproduction) Bill 2022: Committee Stage (Resumed) (21 Feb 2024)

Róisín Shortall: May I address that first? We need the note well in advance of the next session on this Bill.

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