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Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Energy and Natural Resources
Chapter 8 - Operation of the Emergency Call Answering Service
(7 May 2015)

John Perry: When one considers the transformation in the telecommunications industry since 2009, does Mr. Griffin agree that with the latest technology, costs have come down internationally? The call centre service has changed completely since 2009 to the extent that the cost bases have dropped.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Energy and Natural Resources
Chapter 8 - Operation of the Emergency Call Answering Service
(7 May 2015)

John Perry: The Comptroller and Auditor General's report is very clear. Will BT exercise the option for the two remaining years?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Energy and Natural Resources
Chapter 8 - Operation of the Emergency Call Answering Service
(7 May 2015)

John Perry: If one takes a public private partnership as an example of a return and the other developments in PPPs at which the Comptroller and Auditor General has already looked, the return in public private partnerships in the State would not be as high as this. Is the Department calling it a public private partnership?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Energy and Natural Resources
Chapter 8 - Operation of the Emergency Call Answering Service
(7 May 2015)

John Perry: Is a breakdown provided in the report of the figures for 2014?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Energy and Natural Resources
Chapter 8 - Operation of the Emergency Call Answering Service
(7 May 2015)

John Perry: I have one final question on this section. Will Mr. Griffin explain to me the legal case taken against ComReg? Was the Department involved in it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Energy and Natural Resources
Chapter 8 - Operation of the Emergency Call Answering Service
(7 May 2015)

John Perry: Did the legal case not indicate unhappiness with the rates at the time? Did the outcome impact on the setting of future rates? ComReg is independent and this was a service adjudicated on by it, but the contract and terms are set by the Department. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Energy and Natural Resources
Chapter 8 - Operation of the Emergency Call Answering Service
(7 May 2015)

John Perry: Mr. Griffin is aware of the new Office of Government Procurement under Mr. Quinn which is part of the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform. Its job is to achieve value for money. Will this contract be put through that office?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Energy and Natural Resources
Chapter 8 - Operation of the Emergency Call Answering Service
(7 May 2015)

John Perry: What does Mr. Griffin mean by "consult"?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Energy and Natural Resources
Chapter 8 - Operation of the Emergency Call Answering Service
(7 May 2015)

John Perry: If one takes the NDFA and the Office of Government Procurement, one wants to ensure transparency. Obviously, with the Comptroller and Auditor General's report, things are a lot clearer now. Does Mr. Griffin agree?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Energy and Natural Resources
Chapter 8 - Operation of the Emergency Call Answering Service
(7 May 2015)

John Perry: I have an issue to raise on fracking. It has caused a lot of concern with regard to exploration licences. How many such applications were received by the Department in 2013 and 2014?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Energy and Natural Resources
Chapter 8 - Operation of the Emergency Call Answering Service
(7 May 2015)

John Perry: I know that the Environmental Protection Agency was commissioned by the Government to undertake a two year study of fracking to examine if it could be conducted in a way that would not cause significant environmental pollution. In August 2014 the EPA, the Department of Communications, Energy and Natural Resources and the Northern Ireland Environment Agency awarded the contract to a...

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Energy and Natural Resources
Chapter 8 - Operation of the Emergency Call Answering Service
(7 May 2015)

John Perry: I have two final questions. It was reported in The Irish Timeson 17 April that CDM Smith, the lead company employed to carry out a study of fracking in Ireland, was pro-fracking and involved in the use of the controversial gas extraction method in the United States and Poland. This issue has been raised locally. Given that a pro-fracking consultant carried out the report, did the Department...

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Energy and Natural Resources
Chapter 8 - Operation of the Emergency Call Answering Service
(7 May 2015)

John Perry: We all know what we get when we get a reply to a parliamentary question. It is what is not in the reply that would concern me.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Energy and Natural Resources
Chapter 8 - Operation of the Emergency Call Answering Service
(7 May 2015)

John Perry: Mr. Griffin may be happy with CDM Smith but a lot of people are very unhappy.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Energy and Natural Resources
Chapter 8 - Operation of the Emergency Call Answering Service
(7 May 2015)

John Perry: Would Mr. Griffin not agree that the fact that a pro-fracking consultant company in the US, which operates in Poland and advocates for fracking in every sense, means the integrity of this report will be somewhat dampened? It amazes me that the EPA does not include the issues of epidemiology and public health in this report. It is extraordinary that the EPA never considers the issue of...

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Energy and Natural Resources
Chapter 8 - Operation of the Emergency Call Answering Service
(7 May 2015)

John Perry: I can state for certain that there is no epidemiologist or public health medical expert in the EPA to study the public health impact, which is a major concern outside Ireland. People are concerned that a report on the specific impact of fracking on public health is not being carried out and no such role is detailed in the terms of reference given to this company. Is Mr. Griffin aware of that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Energy and Natural Resources
Chapter 8 - Operation of the Emergency Call Answering Service
(7 May 2015)

John Perry: A consideration of something is quite different.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Energy and Natural Resources
Chapter 8 - Operation of the Emergency Call Answering Service
(7 May 2015)

John Perry: This is a very important issue. The committee should know that this question has been asked time and time again but an answer has been constantly refused. There have only been evasive answers and expressions like "being considered". Is there a public health specialist on this report? That is the question people want an answer to. The report does not include a public health medical...

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Energy and Natural Resources
Chapter 8 - Operation of the Emergency Call Answering Service
(7 May 2015)

John Perry: I want this to be reported to the clerk because I have studied every one of the parliamentary questions and every one of them is totally evasive. The Department has evaded every opportunity to answer the question directly. There is a huge concern for the well-being of the people affected by fracking. It is quite extraordinary that the EPA carries out environmental reports on every aspect...

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Energy and Natural Resources
Chapter 8 - Operation of the Emergency Call Answering Service
(7 May 2015)

John Perry: I am very grateful for the latitude the Chairman has shown. I would be glad to get clarification, Mr. Griffin, because I have been trying to get this information directly. It has been chased around for the last year and a half and, despite what the Minister and the Minister of State have said, they have not answered the question directly.

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