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Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2023 (5 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: What was the budget for ambulance services in 2022?

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2023 (5 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: What is the expected spend on private ambulances in 2023, or what was it last year if that will point us in that direction?

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2023 (5 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: What percentage of the service is provided by private providers?

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2023 (5 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: I know that.

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2023 (5 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: Are we talking about 2% or 20%?

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2023 (5 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: Will Mr. Mulvany come back with a figure for last year on the costs of private ambulances, and the expected cost for this year?

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2023 (5 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: That is for half a year. We are looking at approximately €11 million for one year.

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2023 (5 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: I understand.

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2023 (5 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: I know there is a challenge with staff and recruitment of staff. We have had discussions about it at this committee before. In some areas there might be 60% of the staff that are needed. This question is to Ms Hoey. Briefly, what is the current position? What is the shortfall in terms of staff required in the ambulance services?

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2023 (5 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: Have we an estimate for how many are-----

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2023 (5 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: How many staff are there at the moment?

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2023 (5 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: Have the numbers going into training increased?

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2023 (5 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: What figure needs to be hit?

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2023 (5 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: On a related question, are ambulances lying idle because of that shortage?

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2023 (5 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: If the workforce is being doubled, there is a shortage of ambulances and staff according to that. That would indicate we have just over half of the workforce we need. Either ambulances are lying idle or we do not have the number of ambulances we need.

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2023 (5 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: I understand that.

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2023 (5 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: But the population might be double.

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2023 (5 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: I am just asking. I am trying to get a handle on whether we have a situation where we have vehicles but no staff.

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2023 (5 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: That is fine, but we need to double the number of staff.

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2023 (5 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: Mr. Gloster might come back with a note on the primary care centre for Portlaoise. It has been long talked about. It is a capital town heading for a population of 30,000, which is a bigger population than Kilkenny City. It is one of the biggest county towns in the country and we have no primary care centre. I know there are challenges but where are we with that?

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