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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Róisín Shortall: Would Mr. McGarr hazard a guess about the increased value of St. Vincent's Holdings?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Róisín Shortall: Those of us who have been involved in this issue for many years will recall when St. Vincent's mortgaged the public hospital in order to build the private hospital, without any approval. There was a row about that and there is a real danger of that happening again. I return to the definition of "clinically appropriate". The Minister said today that he has no difficulty in setting out...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Róisín Shortall: I put it to the Minister today that this could be done in a matter of minutes. I would like Mr. McGarr's opinion on that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Róisín Shortall: I think I recall Professor Higgins being on a radio programme with Mr. McGarr recently in which Mr. McGarr suggested there should be a clear definition in the documents. I believe Professor Higgins endorsed that view.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Róisín Shortall: It strikes me that the idea of the Government proceeding to sign off on this on Tuesday is premature for many reasons. We have appealed to the Minister to hold off on that. I am aware that the business case process has not been complied with by the Department of Health. We were told yesterday that it is working on it. There is no agreement that there is a robust business case for this and...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Róisín Shortall: No date has been set for that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Róisín Shortall: From that point of view, along with us urging the Minister to hold off to provide more time for scrutiny, other steps need to be taken too. It strikes me that there is no rush to deal with this next week or even in the next two weeks.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Róisín Shortall: I thank Dr. Boylan.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Róisín Shortall: It is in clause 6.4, which I quoted earlier.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Róisín Shortall: They are free to mortgage it after 20 years, and in the first 20 years with written consent. That is the Government timescale.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Róisín Shortall: Can I correct the record? I misspoke in referring to Professor Shane Higgins when I said he would like to see a list of the services included in the documents. It was Professor Declan Keane who was on that programme so I want to clarify that. He was clear when he said he would welcome the services being listed in the documents. I apologise for that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Róisín Shortall: Earlier, Dr. Boylan said the golden share could be more of a liability than an asset. Will he explain his thinking on that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Róisín Shortall: I am disappointed with those comments. This has been a civil debate, as it was yesterday. Plenty of us could have severely criticised the Minister for coming in and essentially saying "trust me". I am sorry but this is what parliamentary scrutiny is about. It is about digging down into the detail of a proposal and seeking answers. Until last Tuesday the Government was quite happy to nod...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Róisín Shortall: -----just as the Senator's colleague used his time to make highly derogatory points. Let us deal with this in a respectful and honest way. Let us keep minds open and carry out our duties properly and have adequate parliamentary scrutiny. We are only just getting to the point where we are reaching the detail of this and we have had a battle to get this detail. It is not over yet. Members...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Róisín Shortall: The Deputy has already got an answer to that question.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Róisín Shortall: I am making a point-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Róisín Shortall: I have a few questions for Professor Higgins. We all recognise the outstanding work that is done in Holles Street. I had my children there and my grandson was born there. I have the height of regard for the hospital. The fact that 95% of patients express satisfaction with it is a tribute to the staff and to the fact it is an independent hospital established by charter and has 100...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Róisín Shortall: Is that just removal or would Professor Higgins welcome a definition?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Róisín Shortall: What is the timescale for signing off?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Róisín Shortall: Is the golden share subject to the double test of permitted use and "clinically appropriate"?

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