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Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Could Dr. Byrne give us a timeline for the Fingal scheme?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Catherine Murphy: What is the timeline?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2023)

Catherine Murphy: On the same issue, this was a very large amount of money made up of two elements. I always understood that the word "redundancy" meant that the job was redundant. If people are replaced, it is not a case of redundancy. It is not down to the person. That raises a question for me with regard to the use of the fund.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2023)

Catherine Murphy: In 2021, there was a charge for €746,563 in respect of employees admitted to the scheme so this payment would have been a big element of that sum. At the time, we were trying to figure out whether the figure related to one person or a multiplicity of people. This €384,870 accounts for about half of that figure, or is it more?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2023)

Catherine Murphy: The Turf Club and Irish National Hunt Steeplechase Committee then contributed top-up payments to the exit package, apparently in recognition of the CEO's work. The 2021 accounts show that those two bodies owe the Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board €175,000 and €34,000. Does that add to their deficit? Were they were already indebted to the IHRB and then gave these top-up...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Yes. It could be this.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2023)

Catherine Murphy: That is a governance failure.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Are these amounts in the right year's statements? Could they relate to part of the money that was transferred to the IHRB?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2023)

Catherine Murphy: This comes up not necessarily just in respect of this case but also where something is found to be way outside of, say, a scheme or the rules and does not fall within the criminal code. We have seen that happen in other instances. Where is the sanction? Does the Comptroller and Auditor General keep an eye on the sanctions? Obviously, consequences change behaviour. Is it a question of...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2023)

Catherine Murphy: I wish to raise just one other thing.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Non-disclosure agreements are an issue in their own right. How can we have transparency if bodies like this are putting in non-disclosure agreements? We may well ask the Department of Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform about non-disclosure agreements because they have no place in this.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Thank you for holding this correspondence over, a Chathaoirligh. I will start with the correspondence from Mr. Moloney. The second paragraph of it states that the Department can confirm that the pay and pensions division, as it was then, of the Department sought data sets and other relevant information from Benefacts, which were used in the compilation of an internal report estimating the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2023)

Catherine Murphy: A partial replacement.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2023)

Catherine Murphy: The CSO was relying on Benefacts.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2023)

Catherine Murphy: We must gather the information we got since we started looking at this issue. We got a reply from the CSO. That was more in relation to EUROSTAT. If I remember correctly, the CSO stated the information could be used for a year or two but then would go out of date. I think that was the interpretation of it. However, there are others who would have used the facility. It is a question of...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Grand.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2023)

Catherine Murphy: I really only want to get the information as to what would make the show break even. I have no problem with innovation. It would be great if there were additional sources of funding. I do not want to labour the point but must ask how many tickets would need to be sold to break even. That is fairly basic information. Maybe we could ask how the costs would be covered.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2023)

Catherine Murphy: There are a few aspects to it. The first paragraph states fit-out is also at an advanced stage in all parts of the hospital and that orders have been placed for all specialist material or medical equipment that is to be integrated into the building. One reason this matter is important is that we need to know whether there are delays or logistics issues. The March 2024 opening will very...

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