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Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack (9 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: No. There were not issues. There is a minuted record from the Department's management committee, which prepared a letter for the Attorney General asking for a definitive ruling. The draft was sent to the Secretary General for his signature and the committee's minutes record in March of 2004 that the letter had been signed and sent. It was not, and nobody has ever explained it. May I have...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack (9 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: No, I am not. I am asking why the minuted record from the Department differs from what actually happened and no explanation has ever been given. That is what I am asking.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack (9 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: I do not know how Mr. Watt could recall as he was not there, but I am sure the matter has come up in all of the briefings that have been prepared. Remember that the media-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack (9 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: That is correct.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack (9 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: It is not about the report.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack (9 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: There was not uncertainty. There was a minuted record. We take minutes to justify in the history what actually happened. Is that not correct? Is that not what minutes are for? They tell us what actually happened a month on, a year on or, in this case, 25 years on, you could say. The minuted record says that the Attorney General was sent a signed letter by the Secretary General. That is...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack (9 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: We do not need just clarity. It goes to the heart of transparency because what is in the media and the issue here for the public is what we are calling concealment. How do we have a Secretary General in a Department preparing a brief for the Attorney General and that Secretary General does not have all the facts and is not clear that this did or did not happen?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack (9 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: Would the minutes often be wrong? Is that what Mr. Watt is saying - that the minutes are often wrong and it never gets clarified?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack (9 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: When minutes are agreed, they are agreed. Is Mr. Watt saying that it is possible the minutes were wrong-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack (9 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: -----and they are often wrong and nobody bothers?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack (9 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: Why would Mr. Watt not be aware?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack (9 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: If the minutes of a Department are wrong, it goes to the core of transparency within the Department itself. Clearly, the minutes had to be made up. If the letter was never sent, somebody was under the illusion or disillusion at the end of it. Why was the minute wrong? More to the point, why was it never corrected?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack (9 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: Would Mr. Watt consider it serious?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack (9 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: I did not ask Mr. Watt to comment on that. If the minuted record was incorrect and never corrected and never explained, would Mr. Watt consider it to be serious? If what Mr. Watt says here today is not recorded properly and somebody said he said something, would he not consider that serious?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack (9 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: Mr. Watt is being asked why a Department would stand and preside over incorrect records and not be accountable or explain same.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack (9 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: They were never addressed and never explained.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack (9 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: In the same way, the report goes on to state-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack (9 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: -----that there were briefs withheld from the Ombudsman when that report was commissioned. For me, there is an awful lot of explanation required. I understand Mr. Watt did not preside over this but, as the now Accounting Officer in the Department, this has to be explained.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack (9 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: That is what I am asking.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack (9 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: We are, Chair, so what we need is an explanation as to why the minuted record in 2004 that was prepared was completely at odds with what actually happened. The article states it was never explained and no one was held accountable. I am sure no one is going to be held accountable but we want it explained.