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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Higher Education Funding: Discussion (Resumed) (2 May 2017)

Fiona O'Loughlin: I am conscious of time because some of us are speaking in the Dáil shortly. I thank the four witnesses for their attendance and contributions. It was an insightful debate and it was worthwhile to have two directly opposing views on what is a very difficult subject. It was a very productive session and we all learned a lot from their insights and observations. We look forward to...

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Fiona O'Loughlin: I remind members, officials and those in the Gallery to ensure their mobile phones are switched off for the duration of the meeting as they will interfere with the broadcasting equipment. The meeting has been convened to consider the Revised Estimate for Vote 26 - Education and Skills, which was referred by the Dáil to the committee with an instruction to report back. I formally...

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Fiona O'Loughlin: I must check something. We did not get it beforehand, but we have now been given the Minister's opening statement. Would he like to make it before we move on to questions on the subheads?

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Fiona O'Loughlin: Absolutely, after he makes them.

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Fiona O'Loughlin: If the Minister would like to give his opening remarks now, that is what we are used to.

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Fiona O'Loughlin: I thank the Minister. His statement was appreciated. In future, it might be useful for us to have his opening statement prior to the meeting in order that members would have an opportunity to scrutinise it. I suggest that we deal with subhead A3, primary teacher salaries, on page 10 of the committee secretariat's briefing document. Deputy Byrne had indicated that he wished to speak about...

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Fiona O'Loughlin: I thank the Deputy.

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Fiona O'Loughlin: I apologise. The Deputy may go ahead.

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Fiona O'Loughlin: I do not think it would come under school salaries.

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Fiona O'Loughlin: Yes. They would come under-----

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Fiona O'Loughlin: Yes.

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Fiona O'Loughlin: Yes.

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Fiona O'Loughlin: We will deal with the Estimates section by section-----

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Fiona O'Loughlin: This subhead just concerns primary teachers' salaries.

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Fiona O'Loughlin: As Chairman of the committee, I completely endorse the points made by Deputies Byrne and Martin about equality of pay for our new entrants into the system. I have visited a number of schools, as I know many of us have, particularly over the past year, and have been incredibly impressed by the commitment, dedication and enthusiasm of the new teachers whom we are very lucky to have in the...

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Fiona O'Loughlin: We will request those figures. While the extra investment in DEIS is certainly very heartening and welcome, it sometimes seems that students are nearly more disadvantaged if they are not in a DEIS school. There is a roll-out of a number of programmes for DEIS schools, which is very welcome and will certainly help and support the children there, but equally there are children with...

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Fiona O'Loughlin: Yes. I think so.

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Fiona O'Loughlin: I certainly agree with that. It would be useful, when we have the opportunity to examine the Estimates, to have metrics such as the ratio of guidance teachers to pupils in schools. That would certainly be very helpful. It is regrettable that the ASTI is still outside the agreements, because we are not really going to progress an awful lot while it is. There are relatively positive...

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Fiona O'Loughlin: I thank the Deputy. I will hand over to the Minister.

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Fiona O'Loughlin: I know that two supplementary questions are coming. Deputy Thomas Byrne is first.

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