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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Minorities Engaging with the Justice System: Discussion (24 Nov 2021)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: I am terribly sorry to interrupt. I gave the witness a little extra time to make those points about An Garda Síochána but I am afraid we are a good bit over time now. I am sure members will want to comment on many of the points made by Mr. Farrelly but we must move on to the next witness, Mr. Joyce from the Irish Traveller Movement.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Minorities Engaging with the Justice System: Discussion (24 Nov 2021)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: Mr Joyce, I am terribly sorry to interrupt----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Minorities Engaging with the Justice System: Discussion (24 Nov 2021)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: There are a number of points in the submission relating to eviction that Mr. Joyce did not get to but hopefully we will have time to discuss them later. I now invite Dr. Mbugua from AkiDwA to make her opening statement.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Minorities Engaging with the Justice System: Discussion (24 Nov 2021)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: I thank Dr. Mbugua for her contribution. I am sorry that I did not spot it immediately but her camera has slipped ever so slightly. She might adjust it to make sure she is fully included in the room, even if attending remotely. I thank her for doing so. That works so much better. We can now see her properly. I call on Ms. O'Regan, who has three minutes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Minorities Engaging with the Justice System: Discussion (24 Nov 2021)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: Of course, there should be no price to be paid for being visible. I will use this opportunity to again call for a radically different relationships and sexual education programme that is fully inclusive and that is taught from the very earliest stages. That would be a real means of addressing some of these issues. For the benefit of witnesses attending today, I will mention that last week...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Minorities Engaging with the Justice System: Discussion (24 Nov 2021)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: The Deputy time is just up. Perhaps Deputy Daly, who is the next speaker, might ask a follow-up question for Deputy Kenny.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Minorities Engaging with the Justice System: Discussion (24 Nov 2021)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: The Deputy has two and a half minutes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Minorities Engaging with the Justice System: Discussion (24 Nov 2021)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: I am terribly sorry to cut across the Deputy but there is an issue with the sound. Is there anything that can be done to improve it?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Minorities Engaging with the Justice System: Discussion (24 Nov 2021)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: I think we can hear the Deputy now.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Minorities Engaging with the Justice System: Discussion (24 Nov 2021)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: I am sorry to interrupt. We cannot hear the Deputy. If he wishes to come to the committee room-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Minorities Engaging with the Justice System: Discussion (24 Nov 2021)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: The Deputy can come to the committee room if that suits him.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Minorities Engaging with the Justice System: Discussion (24 Nov 2021)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: Ms Brack and Mr. Joyce have their hands raised. I invite one of them to contribute.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Minorities Engaging with the Justice System: Discussion (24 Nov 2021)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: Is that okay, Senator Ward?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Minorities Engaging with the Justice System: Discussion (24 Nov 2021)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: You are out of time in the first round. I call Deputy Costello.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Minorities Engaging with the Justice System: Discussion (24 Nov 2021)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: It is, but there may be time for a second round. I have a few short questions before we begin a second round. They concern Garda training and the specifics of it. I visited Dolphin House yesterday, where much of the family law and childcare law is taken care of. Women's Aid and Men's Aid Ireland also have offices there. We were talking about the need for a liaison officer for An Garda...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Minorities Engaging with the Justice System: Discussion (24 Nov 2021)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: I completely agree. I want to bring in the other groups. I was on the radio today with a gentleman called Cathal O'Sullivan, who is a member of the LGBT community. He was going into schools to talk about sex education from his perspective and what it was like for him going through school. Ms O'Regan referred to experience. We are naturally empathetic. Telling stories about each other...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Minorities Engaging with the Justice System: Discussion (24 Nov 2021)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: I agree. I am out of time and have to keep myself to the time allotted. It is lovely to hear other people's children in the back of Zoom calls as much as my own. It is all very normal. If there is time for a second round from me, I will come back to the other groups on that point.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Minorities Engaging with the Justice System: Discussion (24 Nov 2021)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: I invite Senator Ward to come back in. I also have some questions on behalf of Senator Ruane who sent them on to us in advance, as she was unable to be here.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Minorities Engaging with the Justice System: Discussion (24 Nov 2021)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: Just to make the point that Ruhama yesterday launched a very good film in respect of trafficking and victims of trafficking. Of course, victims of trafficking are not asylum seekers and should not be in direct provision centres. They are victims of trafficking and need a different accommodation solution.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Minorities Engaging with the Justice System: Discussion (24 Nov 2021)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: To whom is the Deputy directing his questions?

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