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Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Imelda Munster: -----and ten days.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Imelda Munster: What I am saying is that those contractors' claims are being submitted on an ongoing basis. Mr. Barry said that currently approximately 50% of those claims have been processed. Most of them were the smaller claims. The other 50% of claims are outstanding and further claims will be submitted over the next three years and beyond. In that context, how can he say that there is a GMP when...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Imelda Munster: Where does the GMP come in? The process makes a nonsense of that, does it not?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Imelda Munster: Does Mr. Barry expect further overruns?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Imelda Munster: I think what Mr. Barry is saying is that he cannot guarantee that there will be no further overruns, even with the guaranteed maximum price in place? Is Mr. Barry telling this committee that he cannot guarantee-----

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Imelda Munster: Just on that-----

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Imelda Munster: At the health committee last week, Mr. Barry put forward the argument that no one can predict and that it was impossible to know what way inflation would go. One of the members speaking to Mr. Barry was aghast that he did not have some business case or a model to determine it, but he made reference to the fact that the PwC report gave a range for inflation and that was all the board had...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Imelda Munster: The next two paragraphs are redacted. I am wondering is the redaction in relation to the discussion around the risks associated with inflation. The headline is the board discussed the risks associated with inflation, and then there are two paragraphs redacted. Was that the case?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Imelda Munster: Is the redaction in relation to the discussion around the risks associated with inflation?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Imelda Munster: I am asking because every other headline includes the discussion that took place, except for the redaction under the headline, the board discussed the risks associated with inflation. Every other headline-----

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Imelda Munster: -----includes the discussion. Was the redaction in relation to the discussion around inflation?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Imelda Munster: Okay. In relation-----

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Imelda Munster: Okay. Mr. Barry is presuming it is around commercial sensitivity, that that would be the only logical reason for the board to redact it.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Imelda Munster: Commercial sensitivity. Could I just have clarification around construction inflation and whether or not it is deemed commercially sensitive? Could I ask through the Comptroller and Auditor General to confirm if construction inflation - one is talking about the general industry as such - would be deemed commercially sensitive?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Imelda Munster: It would not be deemed commercially sensitive at all.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Imelda Munster: Mr. Barry has just said it was commercially sensitive.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Imelda Munster: No, Mr. Barry said there were two reasons, confidentiality or commercial sensitivity. The Comptroller and Auditor General has just ruled out commercial sensitivity as a reason, so what is the reason? Why is there a redaction?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Imelda Munster: Mr. Barry referred to commercial sensitivity. Can the Comptroller and Auditor General confirm that again, because there seems to be a little bit of confusion? Is there any train of thought or any aspect where construction inflation could be deemed commercially sensitive in the wider sphere of things?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Imelda Munster: None of us does, because they are redacted.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Imelda Munster: Why would this information be redacted? Is it to save blushes?

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