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Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Fiona O'Loughlin: Yes.

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Fiona O'Loughlin: We will deal with the Estimates section by section-----

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Fiona O'Loughlin: This subhead just concerns primary teachers' salaries.

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Fiona O'Loughlin: As Chairman of the committee, I completely endorse the points made by Deputies Byrne and Martin about equality of pay for our new entrants into the system. I have visited a number of schools, as I know many of us have, particularly over the past year, and have been incredibly impressed by the commitment, dedication and enthusiasm of the new teachers whom we are very lucky to have in the...

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Fiona O'Loughlin: We will request those figures. While the extra investment in DEIS is certainly very heartening and welcome, it sometimes seems that students are nearly more disadvantaged if they are not in a DEIS school. There is a roll-out of a number of programmes for DEIS schools, which is very welcome and will certainly help and support the children there, but equally there are children with...

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Fiona O'Loughlin: Yes. I think so.

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Fiona O'Loughlin: I certainly agree with that. It would be useful, when we have the opportunity to examine the Estimates, to have metrics such as the ratio of guidance teachers to pupils in schools. That would certainly be very helpful. It is regrettable that the ASTI is still outside the agreements, because we are not really going to progress an awful lot while it is. There are relatively positive...

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Fiona O'Loughlin: I thank the Deputy. I will hand over to the Minister.

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Fiona O'Loughlin: I know that two supplementary questions are coming. Deputy Thomas Byrne is first.

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Fiona O'Loughlin: Can I interrupt here because I think we are getting more into policy.

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Fiona O'Loughlin: It is a hugely important issue, I do not deny that for a second, but it is something we need to discuss at another time.

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Fiona O'Loughlin: Can Deputy Byrne hold on please?

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Fiona O'Loughlin: I thank the Minister for his response. The point was well made by my colleagues on the absolute importance of the appropriate career guidance counselling in schools. We look forward to the results of the survey and in having some input possibly at that point. I am conscious that we have only reached two subheads and there is a number we need to get to. We shall move on to subhead A5.

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Fiona O'Loughlin: I apologise; I did not see the Deputy indicate.

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Fiona O'Loughlin: Can I suggest that the Minister and the Department take a look at this?

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Fiona O'Loughlin: I thank the Minister of State for his response. However, we have a situation where teachers who felt that the union of which they were members had not dealt appropriately with the situation and, on principle, they felt they should leave it. They want to join another union and are precluded from so doing. That is absolutely wrong. We are not going to resolve it now, but I suggest that we...

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Fiona O'Loughlin: That is a point. It is something we need to keep an eye on. We move to subhead A5, ETB teachers' salaries. Since members do not have any questions or comments we will move onto the next section. Subhead A6, salaries of special needs assistants in primary and post-primary schools. Do members have any queries on this?

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Fiona O'Loughlin: It would be useful to see metrics for the number of school applications and the number of SNAs allocated. It would also be useful to know the number of appeals and the population of students to which the SNAs relate, and would demonstrate the level of support. I wonder where within this the autism spectrum disorder, ASD, units come into play? Some areas have a very low number of ASD units....

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Fiona O'Loughlin: They are all in north Kildare.

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Fiona O'Loughlin: We will move on to subhead A9, school transport services. I ask members to indicate in respect of questions they would like to ask. I assume the Minister of State, Deputy Halligan, will respond.

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