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Public Accounts Committee: Houses of the Oireachtas Commission Appropriation Account 2018 (11 Jul 2019)

Seán Fleming: That is great.

Public Accounts Committee: Houses of the Oireachtas Commission Appropriation Account 2018 (11 Jul 2019)

Seán Fleming: I move on to the building refurbishment, which will cost approximately €17 million. I ask the Secretary General to outline for us that Leinster House is an historic building, a listed building

Public Accounts Committee: Houses of the Oireachtas Commission Appropriation Account 2018 (11 Jul 2019)

Seán Fleming: It would not have been subject to planning through Dublin City Council, the planning authority for where the building is located. It would be exempt.

Public Accounts Committee: Houses of the Oireachtas Commission Appropriation Account 2018 (11 Jul 2019)

Seán Fleming: The OPW makes a decision on works the OPW is going to carry out.

Public Accounts Committee: Houses of the Oireachtas Commission Appropriation Account 2018 (11 Jul 2019)

Seán Fleming: There is nothing wrong with what is being done, but it is a bit unusual in this day and age that an organisation that carries out the work is the organisation that gives itself the permission to carry out the work. I just leave that out there.

Public Accounts Committee: Houses of the Oireachtas Commission Appropriation Account 2018 (11 Jul 2019)

Seán Fleming: All I am saying as Chairman of the Committee of Public Accounts - this is nothing unusual - is that this committee does not share Mr. Errity's confidence in the ability of the OPW. This project started at whatever it started with and now it is whatever it is. OPW officials have appeared before this committee and there is a special report by the Comptroller and Auditor General on moving the...

Public Accounts Committee: Houses of the Oireachtas Commission Appropriation Account 2018 (11 Jul 2019)

Seán Fleming: However, again it is issuing fire certificates for buildings for which it does the work. We are back to the same moot point. I am not saying there is a problem, but I am pointing out the difference in approach. What is the energy rating of the building that we have just spent €17 million on refurbishing?

Public Accounts Committee: Houses of the Oireachtas Commission Appropriation Account 2018 (11 Jul 2019)

Seán Fleming: I am shocked that with all the talk about climate change in this building, we cannot answer that.

Public Accounts Committee: Houses of the Oireachtas Commission Appropriation Account 2018 (11 Jul 2019)

Seán Fleming: What is the method of heating for the building that has been refurbished?

Public Accounts Committee: Houses of the Oireachtas Commission Appropriation Account 2018 (11 Jul 2019)

Seán Fleming: Is that for all OPW buildings?

Public Accounts Committee: Houses of the Oireachtas Commission Appropriation Account 2018 (11 Jul 2019)

Seán Fleming: It is not just for the Oireachtas. To go back to the refurbishment figure of €17 million, what is the heating system? Is it gas, oil or otherwise? What will be in the basement?

Public Accounts Committee: Houses of the Oireachtas Commission Appropriation Account 2018 (11 Jul 2019)

Seán Fleming: What is its fuel source?

Public Accounts Committee: Houses of the Oireachtas Commission Appropriation Account 2018 (11 Jul 2019)

Seán Fleming: Gas and wood pellets. I will ask Mr. Finnegan to send on a note in regard to the energy rating of the building that is being fully refurbished and the form of fuel used to heat or cool it, as the case may be. There is a lot of hot air. We could generate quite a bit of that sometimes but it has to be cooled as well. Consider all the talk about climate change, bearing in mind that we have...

Public Accounts Committee: Houses of the Oireachtas Commission Appropriation Account 2018 (11 Jul 2019)

Seán Fleming: The Army patrols the building at night. Are the personnel paid for by the Oireachtas or the Taoiseach's office? Who pays for this? I did not see it in the allied net expenditure figures.

Public Accounts Committee: Houses of the Oireachtas Commission Appropriation Account 2018 (11 Jul 2019)

Seán Fleming: Could Mr. Finnegan find out for us?

Public Accounts Committee: Houses of the Oireachtas Commission Appropriation Account 2018 (11 Jul 2019)

Seán Fleming: There are soldiers patrolling the building every night. In the normal course of events, I would have expected to see a costing from the Department of Defence under net allied expenditure.

Public Accounts Committee: Houses of the Oireachtas Commission Appropriation Account 2018 (11 Jul 2019)

Seán Fleming: I am aware of that but that is why I asked the question. I want to get it out in the public arena. The delegates will send us a detailed note that we can publish because the public would like to see the information.

Public Accounts Committee: Houses of the Oireachtas Commission Appropriation Account 2018 (11 Jul 2019)

Seán Fleming: It was mentioned in the opening statement that there are 2,027 people on the payroll system. It includes pensioners.

Public Accounts Committee: Houses of the Oireachtas Commission Appropriation Account 2018 (11 Jul 2019)

Seán Fleming: Rather than going into it now, could Mr. Finnegan send a breakdown of the categories, including retired Members, retired staff, etc.? Could the numbers pertaining to Members' staff and civil servants be translated into whole-time equivalents? I see there are 564 on the payroll here and 450 members of staff. I cannot work up to the 2,027 that Mr. Finnegan mentioned in his statement.

Public Accounts Committee: Houses of the Oireachtas Commission Appropriation Account 2018 (11 Jul 2019)

Seán Fleming: Call out the figures for those watching.

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