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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Sep 2023)

Brian Stanley: With regard to the Road Safety Authority, what was the non-compliance with procurement rules? What was being procured?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Sep 2023)

Brian Stanley: Sometimes, as in the medical profession, there are not two suppliers or providers.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Sep 2023)

Brian Stanley: I propose that we write to the authority and ask it for an exact breakdown of what the figures relate to and the reason it did not tender properly. Does Mr. McCarthy want to deal with Nos. 32 to 39 before we deal with the financial State bodies?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Sep 2023)

Brian Stanley: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Sep 2023)

Brian Stanley: Will Mr. McCarthy take the last six items? They are a group and there are a few issues around them.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Sep 2023)

Brian Stanley: What is the value of the non-compliance in respect of St. James's Hospital?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Sep 2023)

Brian Stanley: Specialist.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Sep 2023)

Brian Stanley: Okay. Is it agreed to note the financial statements? Agreed. As usual, a listing of the accounts and financial statements will be published as part of our minutes. As there is a long list of correspondence, I suggest we break for ten minutes. We will resume at 11.20 a.m.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Sep 2023)

Brian Stanley: We have a breakdown of the previous correspondence on this. We do not have that per county. There is a breakdown across the 26 counties on an item of correspondence we received in about May or June, which gives a figure of 166 builds by local authorities, using contractors, and that is fine. As the Deputy correctly said, the majority are being delivered as turnkeys. I will not quote the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Sep 2023)

Brian Stanley: Of course, yes, there is a cumulative cost over the term of 25 years.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Sep 2023)

Brian Stanley: Can I make a suggestion here? We will give Graham Doyle, Secretary General of the Department of Housing, Local Government and Heritage, and his staff the opportunity to prepare this for us. We have the breakdown for the 26 counties and the 31 local authorities. We want it broken down under those headings: enhanced lease, turnkey, AHBs and direct builds. The figure for direct builds by...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Sep 2023)

Brian Stanley: Just to develop it, we can also ask for the estimated cumulative cost over a lease for ten years. I have certainly seen some for ten years.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Sep 2023)

Brian Stanley: We will ask for the cumulative cost of a lease for ten years and a lease for 25 years of a unit as opposed to a direct build. We will look for that as well. We will send a note setting out that at today's meeting we took a decision to seek this.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Sep 2023)

Brian Stanley: It is worse. This is worse.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Sep 2023)

Brian Stanley: We can put that into the correspondence and ask, prior to the next engagement, for it-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Sep 2023)

Brian Stanley: -----to come back to us with this beforehand so that we will discuss it with the HFA on the day it is in. When we get to the work programme part of our meeting I will suggest strongly, given that we are in a housing crisis and we have these kinds of figures coming in, completely under target-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Sep 2023)

Brian Stanley: For example, in County Roscommon, which is a large county with a population of approximately 70,000, three homes were built.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Sep 2023)

Brian Stanley: I would say the housing list has more than three on it.

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