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Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Thomas Byrne: Okay, but some of it must be demographic related. If there are more kids coming in there would be more-----

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Thomas Byrne: They are classroom teachers.

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Thomas Byrne: If the Minister can. I can understand that DEIS is extra, but I am just wondering-----

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Thomas Byrne: The same issues that we have talked about already apply to junior cycle reform and teacher training, although perhaps that does not come under this heading. The Minister is putting a lot of resources into professional training for the junior cycle, and yet one of two the unions involved is officially not taking part in it. How many hours are being paid for ASTI teachers who are not...

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Thomas Byrne: I have an issue I omitted to raise. Not to cause problems for anybody, but is it possible to set out clearly the position of union members who leave a union? If an ASTI member leaves, and I am not encouraging anyone to do so, and stays outside the union, does he or she get the benefits of the Lansdowne Road agreement? Does such a person have to join the TUI to get the benefits of the...

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Thomas Byrne: Can a mathematics teacher provide guidance and still come within the circular?

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Thomas Byrne: To what degree? Where is that specified?

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Thomas Byrne: My question is on guidance. The Minister stated that a mathematics teacher would only be able to provide guidance to a small degree. Is there any restriction in the circular on the time a mathematics teacher can spend giving guidance?

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Thomas Byrne: Does the Minister's circular restrict it?

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Thomas Byrne: I am not accusing principals of trying to undermine this plan but am I correct in saying that under the Minister's circular and allocation, he would have no crib with a school if all the hours are provided by non-guidance counsellors? If, for example, maths teachers were to provide all the hours of guidance the Minister would not be unhappy?

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Thomas Byrne: But it could be the maths teacher.

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Thomas Byrne: They have to be guidance counsellors.

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Thomas Byrne: The circular does not look for people to be qualified guidance counsellors and the Minister knows that.

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Thomas Byrne: It is a bone of major dispute between the Minister and the Institute of Guidance Counsellors that the circular does not require that.

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Thomas Byrne: The Minister has just said that schools will need people who are equipped.

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Thomas Byrne: That is exactly why the Institute of Guidance Counsellors have been criticising the Minister.

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Thomas Byrne: Why would the Minister not want the guidance counsellor to deliver any of those hours? Under the Minister's circular, the guidance counsellor would not have to deliver any of the hours.

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Thomas Byrne: The Minister has not said that any of it is to be provided by guidance counsellors-----

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Thomas Byrne: -----under the extra hours.

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Thomas Byrne: This is a really important issue.

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