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Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

John Deasy: That this individual, Ann, had been in the foster home until November 2013. Is that the case?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

John Deasy: Okay. Let me ask Mr. O'Brien my question again.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

John Deasy: That is fair enough.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

John Deasy: I will ask the question again so. When Mr. O'Brien has asked questions about this issue in the past couple of years, is he happy that the information he received was accurate? Is he happy that he was not misinformed? Is he happy that the people whom he asked to deal with this gave him the correct answers at all times?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

John Deasy: Finally - for the time being, anyway - on the issue of the apology, Mr. O'Brien mentioned the rebuttal to the Irish Examiner. Frankly, if Daniel McConnell had not written that story in the Irish Examiner, we would not be sitting here talking about this today. With regard to Mr. O'Brien's two-page rebuttal, which was very detailed and very specific with regard to individuals - how they did...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

John Deasy: I will ask my last question, Chairman, for the time being. When the Minister of State, Deputy Lynch, and I am not going to get political here, asked for the full information on this foster home and asked if anyone else remained in the home, she was given faulty information.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

John Deasy: That is Mr. O'Brien's answer with regard to that matter. Did Mr. O'Brien tell her about Ann at that time or did he say that Grace was the last resident in the foster home?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

John Deasy: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

John Deasy: So the Minister of State was not told about Ann. Is that what Mr. O'Brien is saying?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

John Deasy: Mr. O'Brien does not know. So Mr. O'Brien does not know if the Minister of State was given faulty information then. Was she informed about Ann or not?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

John Deasy: When the Minister of State asked the question initially, she was not told about Ann.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

John Deasy: It is pretty clear that she was not, at this point. It is clear from the Minister of State that she was not.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

John Deasy: I am looking at Mr. O'Brien's opening statement. He said there were "various engagements" from 2011 through to 2013 concerning Ann, internally and within the system.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

John Deasy: I thank the Chairman. I will come back in later after other members have contributed. The hallmark of this entire issue with Mr. O'Brien's organisation has been when anyone asks a question, in here or at ministerial level, they are given just enough information to suffice with regard to kicking the matter down the road. The hallmark of this matter is that full information has not been...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

John Deasy: I will say one last thing to Mr. O'Brien. He should have read those reports a long time ago. He tells us he has read them now, when these allegations date back to the early 1990s and are very serious. For Mr. O'Brien to feel compelled now to read them tells me everything. He should have done it a long time ago and it is inexcusable that he did not considering what we have brought up in...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

John Deasy: Can Mr. O'Brien tell us the basis for that decision?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

John Deasy: This is very important. Mr. O'Brien said the HSE did not have the authority. But during these various engagements, did its representatives tell the family about the nature of the concerns with regard to potential sex abuse?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

John Deasy: In these various engagements, did the HSE inform the family about the tenor or the substance of the concerns?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

John Deasy: The HSE did not, in other words.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

John Deasy: This is the key thing. Mr. O'Brien says that the HSE had all these engagements with the family, but it never really told them what it was all about and what the concerns were.

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