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Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Verona Murphy: How many?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Verona Murphy: Well, hold on a second now.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Verona Murphy: Let us go to 2022, for which I have the figures. Something does not stack up. If Tusla employed an extra 140, why-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Verona Murphy: What about 2022?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Verona Murphy: I will read it for Ms Duggan. Regarding social work, in 2021 there were 1,669 and in 2022 there were 1,612. There was therefore no increase. There was a decrease.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Verona Murphy: They would still be employed.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Verona Murphy: Tusla would still have to register them as employed.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Verona Murphy: You acknowledged it in 2019.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Verona Murphy: This is 2024. Sorry Ms Duggan, just one second. I have limited time.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Verona Murphy: No progress is being made within Tusla. There is no progress, and the backslapping-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Verona Murphy: She has finished.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Verona Murphy: But your chair does not say that.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Verona Murphy: Ms Duggan, in 2019, you gave this same speech.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Verona Murphy: I read it this morning. 2019 was five years ago.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Verona Murphy: You were.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Verona Murphy: Well then it is based on the article that was read in 2020. It is still four years on. The reality is this: the chair of Tusla does not concur with what Ms Duggan is saying. They are not his public statements.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Verona Murphy: They may, but it does not ever happen.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Verona Murphy: Chair, you have used up all my time. Sorry Ms Duggan.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Verona Murphy: How many?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Verona Murphy: From where?

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