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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Engagement with the National Cyber Security Centre (23 May 2023)

Barry Cowen: We move to questions from members. I call Deputy Carthy.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Engagement with the National Cyber Security Centre (23 May 2023)

Barry Cowen: I am mindful of what some people say that if you are using an application for free as a product then you are the product. That is how this has evolved and is evolving. We are chasing it, so to speak. I thank Dr. Browne for his detailed answers to those questions.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Engagement with the National Cyber Security Centre (23 May 2023)

Barry Cowen: On that specific point, it is obviously crucial that both the Defence Forces and the An Garda Siochána play a central role working with the NCSC to ensure our defences are as they should be. That applies to those bodies in particular because of the onus of responsibility they have as knock-on responsibilities with regard to everything and everyone else. Is Dr. Browne happy and secure...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Engagement with the National Cyber Security Centre (23 May 2023)

Barry Cowen: The biggest wake-up call both the country and the people received was probably the HSE attack. There is responsibility, onus and duty of care to everything and everybody thereafter. Thankfully we hear the NCSC staff has been doubled. The budget has been doubled. There is a property now in place and new expertise on board. Another thing Dr. Browne has consistently mentioned since he began...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Engagement with the National Cyber Security Centre (23 May 2023)

Barry Cowen: The mid-term review and the Government's response to it will determine its success or otherwise and its potential to continue.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Engagement with the National Cyber Security Centre (23 May 2023)

Barry Cowen: Did Mr. Browne say that the NCSC's success in attracting workers was down to innovation and generosity on the part of the Department of Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform, in recognition of the importance and significance of the NCSC in securing the State and its services?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Engagement with the National Cyber Security Centre (23 May 2023)

Barry Cowen: It might be a template for other areas in the Civil Service.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Engagement with the National Cyber Security Centre (23 May 2023)

Barry Cowen: I picked up on it. It has been noted.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Engagement with the National Cyber Security Centre (23 May 2023)

Barry Cowen: Rightly so, given the grave threat to the private and public sectors.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Engagement with the National Cyber Security Centre (23 May 2023)

Barry Cowen: Please, but I wish to invite Deputy Cronin to contribute as well.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Engagement with the National Cyber Security Centre (23 May 2023)

Barry Cowen: Briefly.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Engagement with the National Cyber Security Centre (23 May 2023)

Barry Cowen: Will Dr. Browne hold his reply for a moment while I ask Deputy Cronin to make her contribution?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Engagement with the National Cyber Security Centre (23 May 2023)

Barry Cowen: Deputy Cronin, are you okay with that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Engagement with the National Cyber Security Centre (23 May 2023)

Barry Cowen: We have another member online, Deputy Lawless, who is Chair of the Committee on Justice. I know that his committee has done some work in this area too. He might be able to share with the witnesses some input further to that engagement.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Engagement with the National Cyber Security Centre (23 May 2023)

Barry Cowen: Two members wish to come back in with supplementary questions. I will call on Deputy Carthy first.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Engagement with the National Cyber Security Centre (23 May 2023)

Barry Cowen: I do not expect Dr. Browne to comment on policy. He did mention that, in addition to the progress made in the last year, the NCSC has a mid-term review in which it will be making recommendations to Government in the hope and expectation that it will honour its commitments under the programme for Government and so forth. I do not know if he can expand any more on that matter.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Engagement with the National Cyber Security Centre (23 May 2023)

Barry Cowen: Let us not go down that road now.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Engagement with the National Cyber Security Centre (23 May 2023)

Barry Cowen: We are coming to a conclusion. I call Senator Craughwell for a supplementary to his previous supplementary questions, to be followed by Deputy Ó Murchú.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Engagement with the National Cyber Security Centre (23 May 2023)

Barry Cowen: They are finished with many of us.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Engagement with the National Cyber Security Centre (23 May 2023)

Barry Cowen: Dr. Browne dealt with much of that. Perhaps he could synopsise for the benefit of all the members, apart from one particular question. I will let Deputy Cronin as well. It is not that elongated, is it?

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