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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Discussion (25 Apr 2018)

Donnchadh Ó Laoghaire: Would that extend to those who represented An Garda Síochána at the public meeting of the Policing Authority on 27 April?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Discussion (25 Apr 2018)

Donnchadh Ó Laoghaire: My understanding is that Ms West and Ms Galligan formally informed senior Garda management on 11 April of their concerns and that it was discussed on 13 April. At the last meeting, at which Mr. Finn was present, he said about the meeting on 27 April:I accept that concerns were raised about this [lack of consultation with the analysis service]. In the report presented to the Policing...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Discussion (25 Apr 2018)

Donnchadh Ó Laoghaire: How would Mr. Finn categorise it?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Discussion (25 Apr 2018)

Donnchadh Ó Laoghaire: I do not think Mr. Finn understands me correctly. I quoted Mr. Finn's answer to my question on that occasion on why the Garda data analysis service was not asked for a sign-off on the document presented to the Policing Authority. Is his answer that it can be categorised as an oversight?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Discussion (25 Apr 2018)

Donnchadh Ó Laoghaire: On 27 April, at the public meeting of the Policing Authority, a document was presented to the authority and the impression was given that it was a full and considered opinion. There was no indication given that the data analysis service had not been consulted and it was not contradicted at the meeting in any way. At our meeting approximately two months ago, I asked Mr. Finn about that and I...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Discussion (25 Apr 2018)

Donnchadh Ó Laoghaire: I am trying to understand how it happened that they were not consulted.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Discussion (25 Apr 2018)

Donnchadh Ó Laoghaire: I am still not satisfied. The key point about the meeting on 27 April was that the impression was given to the Policing Authority that there was no disagreement relating to the document presented at the public meeting. It is a crucially important point. It was clear that the Garda data analysis service was not satisfied with this document and that it had not been run by it. They had not...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Discussion (25 Apr 2018)

Donnchadh Ó Laoghaire: This is what my question is about. Was this an oversight?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Discussion (25 Apr 2018)

Donnchadh Ó Laoghaire: It was extraordinary that the document was presented at a public meeting. The document was relevant to the work of the analysis service but it did not have the chance to sign off on it. I believe this to be a very serious error. I asked Ms West and Ms Galligan whether they thought the statement that it was an oversight was credible. Ms West responded that she was not sure she could...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Discussion (25 Apr 2018)

Donnchadh Ó Laoghaire: It seems there are two possibilities. There is the possibility that it was an oversight. I will allow people to judge whether that is a likely possibility. It is difficult perhaps to put ourselves in that situation. It was either a conscious or an unconscious decision. If it was an unconscious one, it was an oversight. If it was a conscious one, there was a deliberate decision not to...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Discussion (25 Apr 2018)

Donnchadh Ó Laoghaire: It goes to the heart of the matter. I will move on to the pressure that was put on them. It came somewhat after that. They had not all signed off on the document at that stage. I am referring to the Garda data analysis service on key data issues. My understanding is that at 12.20 p.m. on a date in May of last year, Mr. Singh was furnished with a document and the data analysis service was...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Discussion (25 Apr 2018)

Donnchadh Ó Laoghaire: Whatever about from here on in, and people can have different views of different engagements and conversations, but certainly it was felt severe pressure was put on them and clearly there was a request, at the very least, for the analysis service to sign off on a document with which they were not happy, within a period of two to three days of having sight of it. Obviously, that is not a...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Discussion (25 Apr 2018)

Donnchadh Ó Laoghaire: I will move on from this matter. It is in the context of the pressure that was felt, that for some reason, which we cannot quite establish, they were not consulted for a statement even though their concerns were widely known. When this issue was first debated in the public domain, nobody came back and checked with them if they were okay with this. They certainly felt at a later date that...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Discussion (25 Apr 2018)

Donnchadh Ó Laoghaire: With respect to the progressing of the ongoing review, Ms McPartlin referred to an interim report being available relatively soon, if I understood her correctly, but that it is not yet possible to put a date on the final conclusion of the report.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Discussion (25 Apr 2018)

Donnchadh Ó Laoghaire: It accept that it is important that this is done right, rather than rushed. We need to have this concluded as soon as possible but it is important that it is done correctly. In the context of a big concern in this regard, at our last meeting the witnesses were firm in trying to put people's minds at ease that, in so far as they are aware, all the cases that had been potentially incorrectly...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Discussion (25 Apr 2018)

Donnchadh Ó Laoghaire: Is Mr. Sutton satisfied that of the 12 that have been concluded-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Discussion (25 Apr 2018)

Donnchadh Ó Laoghaire: They are-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Discussion (25 Apr 2018)

Donnchadh Ó Laoghaire: During the middle part of 2017, a number of documents were produced month by month that showed there were ongoing issues with the recording of homicides and that there were still data quality issues. Does Mr. Sutton believe there are data quality issues relating to the recording of any homicides relating to February or March 2018?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Discussion (25 Apr 2018)

Donnchadh Ó Laoghaire: So it is not possible to say definitively but there definitely could still be data quality issues?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Discussion (25 Apr 2018)

Donnchadh Ó Laoghaire: To finish off on that particular issue, my next question concerns ICT staff. I am still not totally satisfied with the explanation as to how things transpired. Particularly for that first meeting but also subsequently, I do not understand how these people were not consulted about how this transpired. There was a discussion on "This Week" on Sunday about documentation. I do not have...

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