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Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Catherine Murphy: There is nothing like that available at the moment. Is there a risk register in respect of that and around funding organisations that might have a multiplicity of funders? Is this considered from the Department's point of view, given that it has overall responsibility for the community and voluntary sector?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Catherine Murphy: It is very hard to see in some places. Parts of the country can be very different. One could be in an area in the city centre that is disadvantaged. There are areas like mine which are the commuter belt. There are communities that did not exist 15 years ago in which people do not know their next-door neighbours and where it can be very difficult to pull together. It is very difficult,...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Catherine Murphy: The Department has no idea of a timeline for this and no idea of the cost of it. If it goes ahead, does the Department envisage it to be publicly available information that anyone can access?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Catherine Murphy: I quoted earlier from the Indecon report, which states: "In a previous review by the Comptroller and Auditor General, the importance of adequate oversight arrangement where public funding is provided to a range of organisations was highlighted." Can the Comptroller and Auditor General expand on that?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 42 - Rural and Community Development
Report of the Accounts of the Public Services 2021
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(30 Mar 2023)

Catherine Murphy: That would have been captured in the Benefacts database.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (30 Mar 2023)

Catherine Murphy: The correspondence from An Bord Pleanála sets out the €1.34 million. That is a huge sum.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (30 Mar 2023)

Catherine Murphy: It is not entirely clear whether there is more than one case. Are the Department of Education and the OPW each taking cases or is there just one case? Is there a combined approach?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (30 Mar 2023)

Catherine Murphy: I understand we cannot get into anything of the substance of which court cases are under way because there is a separation of powers. The correspondence says the Department is aware of the dispute relating to Whitehall College of Further Education as it too has cases against the same contractor currently before the courts and continues to be advised by the Attorney General. I am confused...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (30 Mar 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Not at this stage.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (30 Mar 2023)

Catherine Murphy: It is for the fit-out and the build.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (30 Mar 2023)

Catherine Murphy: That figure is very optimistic, I would say.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (30 Mar 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Yes, I am looking for some additional information. We know the contractors have been passing premises. People can take the broadband if they wish. However, we would have expected, for example, public buildings, schools, libraries and hubs to have been connected. Can we ask about specifically about those types of buildings in the intervention area, which are non-domestic and non-firm...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (30 Mar 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Yes, but for public buildings and not exclusively for schools.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (30 Mar 2023)

Catherine Murphy: I think we should ask about public buildings. You would have an expectation that they would be connected.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (30 Mar 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (30 Mar 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Obviously this follows on from the financial statements and the fact there is €1.34 million in fines.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (30 Mar 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Some of the SHDs are still in process. You cannot apply, but they have not concluded.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (30 Mar 2023)

Catherine Murphy: We are all aware of the length of time it is now taking even to get decisions on very basic building appeals, like a house extension or something. It is taking about 12 months.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (30 Mar 2023)

Catherine Murphy: There is no doubt about that, and those capacity issues have costs in terms of fines. That was part of the reason the board could not, apart from the other issues that arose in An Bord Pleanála. An Bord Pleanála has given us this reply, but I do not know if we were looking for it to tell us there was a mechanism to pause the decision-making process. That may well be to do with...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (30 Mar 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Yes.

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