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Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

Marc MacSharry: That would be useful. I am interested in knowing whether officials sign documents without reading them. This was not just, as Mr. Buckley said in his opening statement, one of the biggest lease deals ever done by the OPW. It was probably the biggest in the given year in all of Ireland. It is worth reading something before it is signed. I would not have the expertise of the big valuer...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Who advised Mr. Buckley on this? Surely he knows whether it was the responsibility of John, Mary or whoever to advise him but that person did not. He should ring HR, get the person up there and start a disciplinary process immediately.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Here we are again. This is what we consistently see here. It is the culture of systemic failure with no individual responsible. We are talking about €10 million. So far it has cost us €17 million because of the delay, and I appreciate Mr. Buckley is saying the OPW had to do the fit-out, and then there will be a payment of €344,000 per year after that. So far, nobody...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

Marc MacSharry: I do not want to hear the whole range. Will Mr. Buckley give us a breakdown? Can it be emailed to us today? I am sure somebody in the OPW has it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

Marc MacSharry: No, I want to see what are the internal documents. If it is down the field where all of these professionals or somebody made a mistake, who made the mistake? What procedure now exists in the OPW to deal with the difference between IPMS 3 and net lettable area being X so it will not sign leases unless all of these things are calibrated.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Can we look forward as State and as a Committee of Public Accounts to a disciplinary process that realises tangible sanction against an individual or individuals responsible for costing the people money because of a basic maths mistake, which is not as complex as Mr. Buckley has outlined?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

Marc MacSharry: I would say that was in the private sector somehow because I have never seen that happen in 17 years in the Oireachtas.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Can we look forward here to-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

Marc MacSharry: This is okay.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Is Mr. Buckley saying that this does not warrant disciplinary action? Is that the case?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

Marc MacSharry: This is what is wrong and I hope the media are picking up on this, although I acknowledge there are many other stories today with tribunal reports and everything. Mr. Buckley, as the head of the OPW, is telling me that this basic mistake does not warrant disciplinary action. That is shocking. I can tell Mr. Buckley if that was still his attitude and he was still in the private sector, he...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Does anybody know?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Does anybody know?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

Marc MacSharry: I am only interested in this specific deal, not the normal way.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Who identified this one?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Who identified the building?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Who brought it to their attention? Did somebody at board level see ondaft.iethat Larry Goodman had a building to rent that looked good and say, "Let us inquire about that"? Did the board asks its valuers at a lower level to look for a 120,000 sq ft building and see what they could procure from the market. Does it flow inwards and upwards like that, or does it come in from the top, and a...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

Marc MacSharry: At what level is that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

Marc MacSharry: I am interested in how this deal came about.

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