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Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Nursing Homes (26 May 2020)

Fergus O'Dowd: On 19 March, Nursing Homes Ireland had a conference call with the Minister. On 20 March, it had a conference call with the Department of Health. On 24 March, Nursing Homes Ireland was looking for financial assistance. On 26 March, the Minister confirmed that to it and, on 29 March, there was a meeting. On 4 April, the temporary financial assistance scheme was launched. Correspondence...

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Nursing Homes (26 May 2020)

Fergus O'Dowd: Of course.

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Nursing Homes (26 May 2020)

Fergus O'Dowd: Okay. Chairman, I-----

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Nursing Homes (26 May 2020)

Fergus O'Dowd: The conference call I talked about was on 19 March. Did a conference call take place?

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Nursing Homes (26 May 2020)

Fergus O'Dowd: My information is that it did.

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Nursing Homes (26 May 2020)

Fergus O'Dowd: The main point I want to make to Mr. Daly-----

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Nursing Homes (26 May 2020)

Fergus O'Dowd: Of course.

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Nursing Homes (26 May 2020)

Fergus O'Dowd: So Mr. Daly is saying that this conference call did not take place. Fair enough.

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Nursing Homes (26 May 2020)

Fergus O'Dowd: I believe Nursing Homes Ireland did have a conference call, but my main point is that Mr. Daly's statement, "Key State organisations left the nursing home sector and its residents isolated in those early days", is patently and obviously untrue. My second point relates to Nursing Homes Ireland's directors. It has 12, all of whom are business people. I looked at their accounts and there...

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Nursing Homes (26 May 2020)

Fergus O'Dowd: But Mr. Daly's-----

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Nursing Homes (26 May 2020)

Fergus O'Dowd: What funds did nursing homes spend in addition to normal funding to get PPE and pay for testing, extra staff and staff accommodation?

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Nursing Homes (26 May 2020)

Fergus O'Dowd: Please. I thank Mr. Daly.

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Nursing Homes (26 May 2020)

Fergus O'Dowd: That was Government money refunded to nursing homes.

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Nursing Homes (26 May 2020)

Fergus O'Dowd: Yes, but my point is-----

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Nursing Homes (26 May 2020)

Fergus O'Dowd: -----that Mr. Daly asserted that nursing homes were not supported. I am saying that the facts point to the opposite.

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Nursing Homes (26 May 2020)

Fergus O'Dowd: But who paid? Nursing homes were recompensed.

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Nursing Homes (26 May 2020)

Fergus O'Dowd: I am not saying it is a bad thing. It got the money back that it spent. To say that its members were left isolated is not a fact. Mr. Daly's organisation is the one that all the private nursing homes come back to. In the last report published on his organisation's nursing homes, how many of the 581 homes were fully compliant fully with HIQA regulations?

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Nursing Homes (26 May 2020)

Fergus O'Dowd: I have.

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Nursing Homes (26 May 2020)

Fergus O'Dowd: I am aware of that. The fact is that only 123 of the 581 nursing homes - public, private and not-for-profit - were fully compliant. Of those, there was a failure rate of 32% under governance and management, there was a residents' rights failure rate of 23%, for risk management it was 22%, and for infection control it was 18%. When that report was published, what was Mr. Daly’s response?

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Congregated Settings: Nursing Homes (26 May 2020)

Fergus O'Dowd: Mr. Daly is right that the report highlighted that the compliance rates were very high, but what did the report actually say? It said that the compliance rate had gone down from 27% in 2017 to 23%. Mr. Daly represents an organisation whose members in the last published data have reduced compliance with infection control, and reduced compliance under all of these points-----

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