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Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 8 - Contract payments in respect of Convention Centre Dublin
(15 Dec 2022)

Matt Carthy: That is because the contract stipulated those levels.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 8 - Contract payments in respect of Convention Centre Dublin
(15 Dec 2022)

Matt Carthy: These guys are not scraping for a few bob.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 8 - Contract payments in respect of Convention Centre Dublin
(15 Dec 2022)

Matt Carthy: Will the State say "No"?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 8 - Contract payments in respect of Convention Centre Dublin
(15 Dec 2022)

Matt Carthy: Was the company in a position to avail of all the business supports that every other business availed of? I am referring to the temporary wage subsidy scheme and other supports that were in place during the Covid pandemic.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 8 - Contract payments in respect of Convention Centre Dublin
(15 Dec 2022)

Matt Carthy: Regardless, it was open to it to do so. We are suggesting that the company, singularly, is in a position to have a payment made to it by the State simply because it had the benefit of being in a contract with the OPW.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 8 - Contract payments in respect of Convention Centre Dublin
(15 Dec 2022)

Matt Carthy: I apologise for interrupting but are there divergent views within the OPW or the Department?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 8 - Contract payments in respect of Convention Centre Dublin
(15 Dec 2022)

Matt Carthy: Where are there divergent views?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 8 - Contract payments in respect of Convention Centre Dublin
(15 Dec 2022)

Matt Carthy: Is it of the view that we should pay it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 8 - Contract payments in respect of Convention Centre Dublin
(15 Dec 2022)

Matt Carthy: Is the Department of the view that we should be handing over €1.5 million?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 8 - Contract payments in respect of Convention Centre Dublin
(15 Dec 2022)

Matt Carthy: We are now being told that we are not obliged to do so.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 8 - Contract payments in respect of Convention Centre Dublin
(15 Dec 2022)

Matt Carthy: Who will make the final decision?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 8 - Contract payments in respect of Convention Centre Dublin
(15 Dec 2022)

Matt Carthy: Is that Department represented at the meeting? Do the officials envisage any scenario whereby the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform would approve a State body spending €1.5 million it did not need to spend?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 8 - Contract payments in respect of Convention Centre Dublin
(15 Dec 2022)

Matt Carthy: I do not know how these things work but would it not be a good idea, when everybody is being asked their opinion, to go to the people who will be involved in the final sign-off and ask them whether we are wasting our time and whether there is any chance this will be signed off upon?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 8 - Contract payments in respect of Convention Centre Dublin
(15 Dec 2022)

Matt Carthy: What timeline does Mr. Bourke envisage for the OPW to decide whether it is minded to-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 8 - Contract payments in respect of Convention Centre Dublin
(15 Dec 2022)

Matt Carthy: Surely the OPW considers this situation advantageous. This is one of few situations in which a State body can have the views of the Committee of Public Accounts and the Comptroller and Auditor General before a financial transaction is made. The OPW will not have to risk the prospect of negative reports or comments on its audit. It will not have to take the risk that the committee will...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Dec 2022)

Matt Carthy: I propose that we follow up as suggested by the Comptroller and Auditor General.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Dec 2022)

Matt Carthy: Which number is that?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Dec 2022)

Matt Carthy: I am fine on that.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Dec 2022)

Matt Carthy: While Deputy Murphy is preparing her notes, I have two points to make in respect of the briefing note circulated by the HSE. The first is on the contact with the individuals whose data had been exposed during the cyberattack in 2021. The HSE indicates that it has begun sending out letters to 113,000 individuals. It says that over the 16-week notifiable period, subjects will receive a...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Dec 2022)

Matt Carthy: Yes, point 1 deals with our query in respect of an exit package to the former CEO of the Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board. Almost throughout the tenure of that CEO, there were quite regular discussions on how his salary was kept confidential. It was one of the few heads of statutory boards for which the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform had allowed the salary package to be kept...

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