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Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

John Deasy: Hang on a minute. Mr. O'Brien has got to let me finish. Again, the kernel of this is the public interest dimension. Now Mr. O'Brien has admitted the mistakes and the failings - we know the detail of the allegations involved and we know the people who are still within the system in many cases while some have moved on to other organisations dealing with child protection. The reality is that...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

John Deasy: I have asked Mr. O'Brien this question a couple of times. He stated at our previous meeting that he had not read the reports.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

John Deasy: So now he has read the reports. All right. What change prompted Mr. O'Brien to read the reports? When I asked him the question at our previous meeting he stated he had not read the reports. Will he remind the committee of the reasons he felt he could not read the reports? Why has he changed his mind?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

John Deasy: Okay; well, answer this question. Now that he has read the reports, does Mr. O'Brien have any personal concern that the people involved in making these decisions are still involved in child protection?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

John Deasy: That is not what I asked.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

John Deasy: Mr. O'Brien is giving me a legalistic answer.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

John Deasy: Now that he has read the reports, does Mr. O'Brien have any personal concern that the people involved in making these mistakes - the neglect and poor care that he has described in writing to this committee - are still involved in child protection?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

John Deasy: We have gone from abuse and neglect of the most egregious nature to "missed opportunities." That is my problem here. Mr. O'Brien started off in the opening paragraph of his opening statement-----

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

John Deasy: Will Mr. O'Brien explain what he means by "missed opportunities"?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

John Deasy: And these people are still working in the HSE?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

John Deasy: One of the reports in the newspapers today quoted one of the whistleblowers as saying that when he visited the foster home in question, there had not been a HSE inspection of that foster home in six years. Can Mr. O'Brien confirm that?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

John Deasy: Is that a missed opportunity, as Mr. O'Brien referred to? After everything that happened and the failure of Mr. O'Brien's organisation to visit the individual in question in the foster home, is Mr. O'Brien seriously describing this as "disagreements," "differences of opinion" and "missed opportunities"? Is that really what he is getting at? I would refer to that a bit differently. I would...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

John Deasy: I ask Mr. O'Brien not to use HIQA lingo.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

John Deasy: What we are in disagreement about is what to do with the people who were responsible at the time-----

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

John Deasy: -----who are still working in the system and how Mr. O'Brien is dealing with that.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

John Deasy: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

John Deasy: Does Mr. O'Brien trust the people around him to give him full and clear information, and does he believe that the people around him have given him the full facts every time he has asked questions with regard to the details of this foster home and everything around it?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

John Deasy: I refer to the people whom Mr. O'Brien has asked to report to him on this issue.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

John Deasy: I really should try again. Actually, Mr. O'Brien should try again. I asked him a question.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Report on Foster Home in Waterford Community Care Area: Discussion (2 Feb 2016)

John Deasy: It is clear from Mr. O'Brien's interview on Sunday that, for him, it was new information-----

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