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Public Accounts Committee: Houses of the Oireachtas Commission Appropriation Account 2018 (11 Jul 2019)

Seán Fleming: I am shocked that with all the talk about climate change in this building, we cannot answer that.

Public Accounts Committee: Houses of the Oireachtas Commission Appropriation Account 2018 (11 Jul 2019)

Seán Fleming: What is the method of heating for the building that has been refurbished?

Public Accounts Committee: Houses of the Oireachtas Commission Appropriation Account 2018 (11 Jul 2019)

Seán Fleming: Is that for all OPW buildings?

Public Accounts Committee: Houses of the Oireachtas Commission Appropriation Account 2018 (11 Jul 2019)

Seán Fleming: It is not just for the Oireachtas. To go back to the refurbishment figure of €17 million, what is the heating system? Is it gas, oil or otherwise? What will be in the basement?

Public Accounts Committee: Houses of the Oireachtas Commission Appropriation Account 2018 (11 Jul 2019)

Seán Fleming: What is its fuel source?

Public Accounts Committee: Houses of the Oireachtas Commission Appropriation Account 2018 (11 Jul 2019)

Seán Fleming: Gas and wood pellets. I will ask Mr. Finnegan to send on a note in regard to the energy rating of the building that is being fully refurbished and the form of fuel used to heat or cool it, as the case may be. There is a lot of hot air. We could generate quite a bit of that sometimes but it has to be cooled as well. Consider all the talk about climate change, bearing in mind that we have...

Public Accounts Committee: Houses of the Oireachtas Commission Appropriation Account 2018 (11 Jul 2019)

Seán Fleming: The Army patrols the building at night. Are the personnel paid for by the Oireachtas or the Taoiseach's office? Who pays for this? I did not see it in the allied net expenditure figures.

Public Accounts Committee: Houses of the Oireachtas Commission Appropriation Account 2018 (11 Jul 2019)

Seán Fleming: Could Mr. Finnegan find out for us?

Public Accounts Committee: Houses of the Oireachtas Commission Appropriation Account 2018 (11 Jul 2019)

Seán Fleming: There are soldiers patrolling the building every night. In the normal course of events, I would have expected to see a costing from the Department of Defence under net allied expenditure.

Public Accounts Committee: Houses of the Oireachtas Commission Appropriation Account 2018 (11 Jul 2019)

Seán Fleming: I am aware of that but that is why I asked the question. I want to get it out in the public arena. The delegates will send us a detailed note that we can publish because the public would like to see the information.

Public Accounts Committee: Houses of the Oireachtas Commission Appropriation Account 2018 (11 Jul 2019)

Seán Fleming: It was mentioned in the opening statement that there are 2,027 people on the payroll system. It includes pensioners.

Public Accounts Committee: Houses of the Oireachtas Commission Appropriation Account 2018 (11 Jul 2019)

Seán Fleming: Rather than going into it now, could Mr. Finnegan send a breakdown of the categories, including retired Members, retired staff, etc.? Could the numbers pertaining to Members' staff and civil servants be translated into whole-time equivalents? I see there are 564 on the payroll here and 450 members of staff. I cannot work up to the 2,027 that Mr. Finnegan mentioned in his statement.

Public Accounts Committee: Houses of the Oireachtas Commission Appropriation Account 2018 (11 Jul 2019)

Seán Fleming: Call out the figures for those watching.

Public Accounts Committee: Houses of the Oireachtas Commission Appropriation Account 2018 (11 Jul 2019)

Seán Fleming: Where are the Members' staff?

Public Accounts Committee: Houses of the Oireachtas Commission Appropriation Account 2018 (11 Jul 2019)

Seán Fleming: In which figure?

Public Accounts Committee: Houses of the Oireachtas Commission Appropriation Account 2018 (11 Jul 2019)

Seán Fleming: Mr. Finnegan referred to the new IT system, which I am sure is very good and is being rolled out as we speak, and stated it has many benefits. What training has been offered to the staff in order to upgrade them? Was it in-house? How was that done?

Public Accounts Committee: Houses of the Oireachtas Commission Appropriation Account 2018 (11 Jul 2019)

Seán Fleming: I am happy for Mr. Finnegan to send it on. We do not need it now. When I saw the 2,000 figure, it just did not gel with me. The big issue I want to raise over training – I am making a practical suggestion that I do not believe would cost much at all – concerns staff. There are two categories of staff: the Civil Service staff, which Mr. Finnegan looks after, and the Members'...

Public Accounts Committee: Houses of the Oireachtas Commission Appropriation Account 2018 (11 Jul 2019)

Seán Fleming: Things do change. Staff will say a service was on the old system but not on the new one, for example. What I suggest does not represent a big cost. Staff are being sent around with the hardware and should also be sent around to give a bit of help with the software. The constituency staff are Oireachtas staff and are making the whole system work. They are the utterly poor relations when...

Public Accounts Committee: Houses of the Oireachtas Commission Appropriation Account 2018 (11 Jul 2019)

Seán Fleming: There would not be a big cost.

Public Accounts Committee: Houses of the Oireachtas Commission Appropriation Account 2018 (11 Jul 2019)

Seán Fleming: My view could be echoed by many Deputies whose staff are not based on the premises. Let us consider the additional research staff and the Parliamentary Budget Office staff. I thank the Library and Research Service for giving me yesterday the research document I asked for a couple of weeks ago. How many staff are involved in research by comparison with the Parliamentary Budget Office...

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