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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Secondment: Minister for Health (22 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: Why has the board issued an order to the main contractor, the electrical contractor and the mechanical contractor to come together in workshops to look at the issues relating to the ventilation of the 11 operating theatres?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Secondment: Minister for Health (22 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: Is it not the case that an order was also issued to the main contractor to carry out ventilation tests in March of this year?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Secondment: Minister for Health (22 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: It is the case. The problem here is that the experts said in May that this was going to fail because the vents were in the wrong place. The board allowed building to continue and now all the electrical and mechanical stuff and all the oxygen equipment is in there. It runs right through the centre of these operating theatres where the vents are supposed to be. The rooms are complete. The...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Secondment: Minister for Health (22 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: Which ones?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Secondment: Minister for Health (22 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: Which ones? Let us start with one, because I am not accepting the Minister's statement that I am putting false information on the record here. Start with one and we will go through them, because it is too easy for the Minister to give glib answers like that when this issue is so serious.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Secondment: Minister for Health (22 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: With respect, he has not.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Secondment: Minister for Health (22 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: He has not. I am not accepting that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Secondment: Minister for Health (22 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: With respect, if Mr. Tierney wants to say I am saying something that is untrue, I am happy for us to have that conversation but that is not what I heard.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Secondment: Minister for Health (22 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: He did not say that it was not given; he said he is not aware. Those are two separate statements.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Secondment: Minister for Health (22 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: Mr. Tierney did not contradict me and did not say I was wrong. He said he is not aware of it.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Secondment: Minister for Health (22 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: It is €1.3 billion. Come on. Is this a bit of variation?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Secondment: Minister for Health (22 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: I know, but that is just-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Secondment: Minister for Health (22 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: A lot has been made of the contractor who builds the wall for three times more, that he cannot be ruled out and all the rest. The Minister is aware of the Regulation of Tenderers Bill, which would have dealt with this issue and is in compliance with EU law. My colleague, Deputy Mairéad Farrell, brought it forward in December 2021. The reality is that he voted against it so he cannot...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Secondment: Minister for Health (22 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: The Minister voted against it.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Secondment: Minister for Health (22 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: First, in regard to the STS inspections-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Secondment: Minister for Health (22 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: In relation to the inspections, the STS report to Children's Hospital Ireland states very clearly that none of the issues raised following the Minister's previous visit had been addressed and new ones were discovered. The situation was actually getting worse. That is the first point. The second point is that the Minister said I was wrong and the Department official had corrected me, which...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Secondment: Minister for Health (22 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: That is not acceptable. This is a major project being built with taxpayers' money. That is ridiculous. Seriously, it is beneath the Minister.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Secondment: Minister for Health (22 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: A major generic fault is what the independent expert report stated to Children's Health Ireland in May and again in November. It is now June. This is not a small issue. With respect, it is not about the colour of paint on the walls. What the experts are telling the Minister is that it will cost more money and involve more delays if the problem is not addressed before the theatres are built.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Secondment: Minister for Health (22 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: Some would argue the Minister is not.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Sector Secondment: Minister for Health (22 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: He did not say that.

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