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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: They are.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: These people are in an unusual position in that they do not have the State pension either. They are not like Bord na Móna workers or county council workers, for example, who have the State pension and superannuation. These workers find themselves in a situation in which this is the only income they have. They are really vulnerable. Thank you for that, Deputy. We will reply to the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: Yes. I take them as headcounts. It states: Table 3 below details the 'gap to staff ceiling' by Staff Category for each Community Healthcare Organisation. The gap to staff ceiling is the distance from/over target i.e. the minus figures. The figures are colour-coded. Members will see that the management figure is listed in red at plus 34. Is that agreeable?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: Do any other members wish to comment on this?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: It was a separate request, but-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: I know.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: We will see if we can get that information. It might be useful as well to ask the HSE, on the basis of the new health areas, what the population would be, as per the last census, in the areas that have seen their boundaries drawn. Has the HSE calculated what the-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: I know that. What I am saying is that the HSE has drawn the boundaries as to where the new regional health areas are. What are the populations in them?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: We will look for those figures for the CHOs anyway.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: Yes. We will ask the HSE to give figures because it has drawn the boundaries, I understand. I am not on the Joint Committee on Health, but my understanding is that that piece of work is done, so, whichever counties are in each CHO, we should be able to determine what way that will break down across the country-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: Population and budgets - that is what we are watching. Thank you for that, Deputy. Moving on, No. R2208 B, from Graham Doyle, Secretary General of the Department of Housing, Local Government and Heritage, dated 26 October, provides further information requested by the committee during the meeting of 1 June. It is proposed to note and publish this item of correspondence. I noted this...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: I think questions have to be asked of Deloitte. If the local authorities have been given extra staff and four councils are coming in with not a house built by the local authority last year, it raises serious questions. We will have the Department of Housing, Local Government and Heritage back in again in a few weeks' time, and the reason I flagged this is that we should raise it with the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: Sorry there are two bundles. The minutes are No. 2207 which the Deputy has before her, it is an extensive bundle of paper, and then there is No. 2211. Does anyone want to say anything on the minutes of the meeting that were provided by RTÉ which the committee requested? If they do not, we will move on to the other bundle, No. 2211. The Deputy was speaking on that.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: She is all right with that. RTÉ is saying it wants to clarify that there were no such internal report generated at any point. For the information of members, the letter states: By way of additional update, I would like to advise that Grant Thornton and McCann Fitzgerald have requested a further modest extension in terms of their investigations into the Voluntary Exit Scheme payments...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: There is another item from RTÉ, No. 2211, which would have been very useful had we had it months ago. It is a copy of a letter from Richard Collins, former chief financial officer, sent on Sunday 18 June at 7.27 p.m. to Siún Ní Raghallaigh, the cathaoirleach of the board. The letter, referring to the Ryan Tubridy situation, says that the current contract is for five years...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: Moving on to correspondence category B - from and related to private individuals. No. 2205 from an individual, dated 31 October 2023, is in relation to bogus self-employment and the decision of the Supreme Court in the Karshan case regarding delivery drivers. I propose that we note and publish this item.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: I think we can agree on that. As all Deputies are happy with that, we will move to the work programme. Members have been circulated with a draft work programme discussion document, which is displayed on screen now. On 16 November, we will meet with the Department of Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform in relation to its 2022 appropriation accounts, chapter 5...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: And we should have the Department of Social Protection and Revenue in on the misclassification of workers in the new year.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: At the one meeting. The two at the one time. That is agreed. The last item on the public agenda today is any other business. As there are no other matters, we will go into private session very briefly before adjourning until a private meeting next Tuesday.

Written Answers — Department of Health: International Protection (9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: 30. To ask the Minister for Health what preparations have been carried out to provide for the health care needs of the 950 people to be accommodated in Stradbally under the temporary international protection scheme and the existing local population. [47528/23]

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