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Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: I understand that.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: Football players and others use agents.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: I understand that RTÉ does not control all the levers, but it is an issue of concern.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: Okay. That concludes our questioning. I know there have been some robust exchanges back and forward. Before we conclude, I wish to state that nobody was questioning the professional integrity or the professionalism of the legal services at RTÉ. There is a difference of opinion. At the start of the meeting, I said that I and other members have disagreed with RTÉ's decision not...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: The minutes of our meeting of 5 October 2023 have been circulated to members. Do members wish to raise any matters in relation to the minutes? Are the minutes agreed? Agreed. As usual, the minutes will be published on the committee's web page. The next item to be dealt with is accounts and financial statements. Three sets of accounts and financial statements were laid before the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: A number of matters of serious concern arose in 2022 with regard to An Bord Pleanála's operation. There have been well publicised reviews and reports. The statement outlines the status of these reviews. The only other issue of note is the penalties incurred by the board in 2021, 2022 and 2023 relating to delays. We may bring An Bord Pleanála before the committee again. Does any...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: Deputy Murphy is happy enough to deal with everything in one session.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: Deputy Murphy suggests we try to deal with the whole lot on 26 October. Does any member disagree? Deputy Murphy has made a valid point on having all of the organisations in the room at the same time.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: We will need to keep the list short because otherwise it would dilute the engagement. We should keep it to funding and governance issues for Uisce Éireann, questions that come up for the Commission for Regulation of Utilities and housing delivery for the Department of Housing, Local Government and Heritage. That is the main part of our focus.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: Yes, it is with regard to bringing them under the remit of the Comptroller and Auditor General. There is the local government auditor and other entities. On 9 November, it is proposed that we meet with the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland and the Department of Environment, Climate and Communications to discuss chapter 8 of the report of the accounts of the public services on the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: That is it. It is agreed. That concludes our consideration of the work programme. The last item on the agenda for today is any other business. Do members wish to raise any other matter?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: You may, yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: The next step in that regard is to notify the Committee on Parliamentary Privileges and Oversight of our request and await its decision on it.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: That is the key point. I mentioned in my remarks this morning to two of the management team of RTÉ that we were of a mind to move to compellability now if production of the document was refused today. We have a proposal. I do not wish to misrepresent the Deputies. Deputy McAuliffe is saying that if it is not resolved in a speedy manner, we move to compel.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: That is okay. I wanted to clarify that.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: Absolutely.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: I am very concerned about the timeline. With that in mind and given that we are coming up to the back end of the year, we should now seek powers of compellability. If Ms Ní Raghallaigh, the chair of RTÉ, can help us in this regard while this is taking place, that would be helpful. We also asked the management team to keep the decision under review and to reconsider it when they...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: Absolutely.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: We have the scoping document and the additions to it from our discussion yesterday. As the Deputy stated, we will need to hold more meetings to try to frame that.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: Is it agreed that we proceed with seeking to compel this document and notify the Committee on Parliamentary Privileges and Oversight in that regard? Agreed. Are there any other matters members wish to raise under any other business? Okay. The meeting stands adjourned until Thursday, 19 October, when we will meet representatives of Children's Health Ireland and the National Paediatric...

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