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Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(19 Dec 2013)

Simon Harris: How did you get those?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(19 Dec 2013)

Simon Harris: It might provide them to the Companies Registration Office.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(19 Dec 2013)

Simon Harris: Does that mean they have been lodged with the Companies Registration Office?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(19 Dec 2013)

Simon Harris: Correct.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(19 Dec 2013)

Simon Harris: I am talking about the St. Vincent’s Healthcare Group accounts.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(19 Dec 2013)

Simon Harris: The point stands that my most recent inquiry established that it had not submitted the 2012 accounts to the Companies Registration Office. I will talk Dr. Smith through this. Page 6 of the healthcare group’s accounts contains a report from the independent auditors, PricewaterhouseCoopers. This seems to be a confusing and complex area. Somebody might guide me on it. There is an...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(19 Dec 2013)

Simon Harris: That is okay.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(19 Dec 2013)

Simon Harris: That is interesting because I want to be careful here. We had a detailed discussion with the Mater hospital earlier which was very useful. I do not want anybody to be worried about their pension. I fully understand that it is effectively underwritten by the taxpayer. I do not know whether you can shed any light on my query. I took St. Vincent’s at its word that this adverse...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(19 Dec 2013)

Simon Harris: Could the directors of St. Vincent’s address this issue in the body of their accounts to ensure that they do not have an adverse opinion because other organisations do not have one?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(19 Dec 2013)

Simon Harris: That is good because we are talking about €202 million of taxpayers’ money and when I see an adverse opinion saying accounts do not give a true and fair view, I respectfully suggest that the board of St. Vincent’s could learn from best practice in other section 38 organisations which have dealt with this in a more transparent way.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(19 Dec 2013)

Simon Harris: I thank everyone for being here. I will start with St. Vincent’s University Hospital because it is clear to me that all is not well. I will begin with Ms Buckley. It seems from the latest tranche of letter writing by our new pen pal that there is an effort to try to divide and conquer Departments. This may be a sign of things to come in how we will deal with this issue at St....

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(19 Dec 2013)

Simon Harris: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(19 Dec 2013)

Simon Harris: That is a very helpful and comprehensive statement from Ms Buckley and I believe that is the answer to Mr. Jermyn, if he is watching. In preparing his statement Mr. Jermyn might take into consideration the clear view of the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform. I will return to the HSE. I am looking at the list it sent us of the additional remuneration payments made from private,...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(19 Dec 2013)

Simon Harris: The group is on its own in its interpretation.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(19 Dec 2013)

Simon Harris: How much public funding was given to the St. Vincent's Healthcare Group this year?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(19 Dec 2013)

Simon Harris: I will keep going. I have a question for Mr. O'Brien on the service level agreement. It seems clear that when a person signs a service level agreement, he or she is signing up to be in compliance with public sector pay policy. Can we check who signed service level agreements? Does Mr. O'Brien know who signed them? Would it have been the chief executive? Who would normally sign them?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(19 Dec 2013)

Simon Harris: Therefore, it would be usual for the St Vincent's Healthcare Group service level agreement to be signed by Mr. Jermyn. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(19 Dec 2013)

Simon Harris: Has Mr. O'Brien seen the St Vincent's Healthcare Group accounts for 2011?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(19 Dec 2013)

Simon Harris: Has anyone seen them?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(19 Dec 2013)

Simon Harris: Does the HSE know when they were lodged with the Companies Registration Office?

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