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Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Simon Harris: On how many other occasions has the HSE issued a performance notice to a non-statutory body?

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Simon Harris: That is why I believe the position of the board of the CRC to be untenable. It has never happened that one performance notice would be issued, let alone two, and to see €242,000 of taxpayers' money being potentially withheld or jeopardised because of the failure of the board to comply with the service agreement is extremely concerning.

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Simon Harris: I respectfully suggest that members of the board are in breach of their obligations and duties to people with disabilities by jeopardising their funding from taxpayers due to their inaction.

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Simon Harris: Do Mr. Martin as a director of the company and Mr. Nugent as a director and now the interim CEO accept that they are responsible for any decision they make that could jeopardise the flow of public funding to children and adults with disabilities attending their services?

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Simon Harris: We will get to that in a moment. We have established that Mr. Nugent is a director of the Friends and Supporters of the Central Remedial Clinic. Mr. Kiely was its secretary while CEO. Is he a director?

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Simon Harris: Is Mr. Martin?

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Simon Harris: I have noticed comments from the Central Remedial Clinic, CRC, regarding the Santa Bear Appeal and the likes. There seems to be a differentiation between certain fund-raising campaigns and those of the Friends and Supporters of the Central Remedial Clinic. From where does the latter get its money?

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Simon Harris: If I buy a Santa bear, which is an ongoing campaign, that money goes directly to the CRC, not to the Friends and Supporters of the Central Remedial Clinic.

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Simon Harris: I do not wish to put words in Mr. Nugent's mouth, but I am not sure of the situation. Is the only source of income for the Friends and Supporters of the Central Remedial Clinic the funding generated by the lottery or are there other funds?

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Simon Harris: People who play the lotto. I must pick up on another matter. Mr. Nugent is a former member of the board of the Central Bank.

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Simon Harris: He is a very experienced hand, if I could use that phrase, and a former chairman of the State board CERT. One would imagine that he understood corporate governance very well. He must concede that there is a serious corporate governance issue when making a request is basically talking to oneself. I do not mean him personally, but the directors of the board of the CRC asked the directors of...

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Simon Harris: Yes, but does Mr. Nugent believe it appropriate that he should be a director of both?

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Simon Harris: Would Mr. Nugent envisage a situation in which a member of the board of the CRC would no longer be a member of the board of the Friends and Supporters of the Central Remedial Clinic?

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Simon Harris: Sure.

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Simon Harris: I must leave the medical device issue to someone else, as I am conscious of my time. The witnesses can credibly argue - it does not mean that I agree with them - that many of the issues discussed today were a sign of a different time, a legacy, contractual obligations, etc., but I want to discuss the here and now. On 20 separate occasions in 2013, the HSE wrote to Mr. Nugent in many cases...

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Simon Harris: All of that may be true, but Mr. Kiely-----

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Simon Harris: I want to talk about the friends and supporters group.

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Simon Harris: Please do so.

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Simon Harris: I thank Ms McGuinness and Mr. O'Brien. That is very helpful. I wish to ask about the friends and supporters, medical devices and the appointment of the now former CEO. With regard to Ms McGuinness's comments and her quotations from Des Peelo's letters, are the witnesses from the CRC now embarrassed a letter was written by the board of governors signed on their behalf and discussed at...

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Simon Harris: No, it is not.

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