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Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
An Bord Pleanála - Financial Statements 2020
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
(14 Jul 2022)

Neasa Hourigan: On the telecoms mast and the two-person issue-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
An Bord Pleanála - Financial Statements 2020
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
(14 Jul 2022)

Neasa Hourigan: Was that listed under the 2019 deviation from-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
An Bord Pleanála - Financial Statements 2020
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
(14 Jul 2022)

Neasa Hourigan: If there is a standard operating practice and one decides to change that operating practice, I would describe that as a "deviation".

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
An Bord Pleanála - Financial Statements 2020
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
(14 Jul 2022)

Neasa Hourigan: In recommendation No. 82 of that 2016 document, there is a kind of a set-out of what the interaction with the Department should be. Has that been implemented?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
An Bord Pleanála - Financial Statements 2020
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
(14 Jul 2022)

Neasa Hourigan: Recommendation No. 82. For example, the Minister has the power to appoint emergency members to the organisation. Has that ever been done since 2016?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
An Bord Pleanála - Financial Statements 2020
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
(14 Jul 2022)

Neasa Hourigan: In what context?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
An Bord Pleanála - Financial Statements 2020
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
(14 Jul 2022)

Neasa Hourigan: For example, since the legal fees have effectively tripled, has there been an appointment to the board from the Department? Has there been an interaction with the Department?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
An Bord Pleanála - Financial Statements 2020
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
(14 Jul 2022)

Neasa Hourigan: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
An Bord Pleanála - Financial Statements 2020
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
(14 Jul 2022)

Neasa Hourigan: Okay. We are talking about semantics a little bit, and about words, but I find the use of the word "board" here confusing. In the Committee of Public Accounts we are used to senior management in an organisation having a State board or a board and they are not in the organisation full time. They are given a small stipend, hold a quarterly meeting and there is oversight of the board. They...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
An Bord Pleanála - Financial Statements 2020
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
(14 Jul 2022)

Neasa Hourigan: The board does not have the right to remove senior staff.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
An Bord Pleanála - Financial Statements 2020
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
(14 Jul 2022)

Neasa Hourigan: Mr. Walsh mentioned audits. The previous speaker talked about audits. Can we get a percentage? When decisions are being audited, is it both in terms of content and process?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
An Bord Pleanála - Financial Statements 2020
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
(14 Jul 2022)

Neasa Hourigan: Is An Bord Pleanála looking at them in terms of the final decision and their content and the process?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
An Bord Pleanála - Financial Statements 2020
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
(14 Jul 2022)

Neasa Hourigan: What does that entail?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
An Bord Pleanála - Financial Statements 2020
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
(14 Jul 2022)

Neasa Hourigan: The 2016 review suggests that An Bord Pleanála should have performance indicators. Are those in place now?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
An Bord Pleanála - Financial Statements 2020
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
(14 Jul 2022)

Neasa Hourigan: I wish to move on to the code of conduct, which has come up already. Would it be accurate for me to say that in terms of the decision-making and the public trust that is required in An Bord Pleanála's work, the code of conduct is quite important in terms of its performance and that it would adhere to that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
An Bord Pleanála - Financial Statements 2020
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
(14 Jul 2022)

Neasa Hourigan: Okay. Section 4.3 of the code of conduct states "No employee shall accept emolument for any outside employment which may in any way represent or may be reasonably interpreted as representing a conflict of interest on any matters pertaining to the functions undertaken by An Bord Pleanála other than with the written consent of the Chief Officer." I point out to Mr. Walsh the use of that...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
An Bord Pleanála - Financial Statements 2020
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
(14 Jul 2022)

Neasa Hourigan: How many times in the past three years have employees of An Bord Pleanála received any kind of permission to undertake public-facing events with industry stakeholders, particularly in the area of build to rent?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
An Bord Pleanála - Financial Statements 2020
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
(14 Jul 2022)

Neasa Hourigan: Are those public events?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
An Bord Pleanála - Financial Statements 2020
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
(14 Jul 2022)

Neasa Hourigan: Is An Bord Pleanála providing advice?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
An Bord Pleanála - Financial Statements 2020
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
(14 Jul 2022)

Neasa Hourigan: If somebody provided Mr. Walsh with the transcripts of some of those public-facing events, would he be surprised if they included advice to industry stakeholders?

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