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Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(19 Dec 2013)

Simon Harris: Is that person Nicholas Jermyn?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(19 Dec 2013)

Simon Harris: According to the letters he is sending to the committee, Mr. Jermyn is also the group chief executive.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(19 Dec 2013)

Simon Harris: Let us return to basics. The HSE is paying an individual approximately €136,300 to be the full-time chief executive officer of St. Vincent's University Hospital.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(19 Dec 2013)

Simon Harris: I know it has been a long day and I have no wish to be pedantic but, from the taxpayer's point of view, the HSE and the State are funding an individual to be CEO of St. Vincent's University Hospital. Whomever the relevant individuals want to pay to run the private hospital is their own business because that is a separate post. However, the St. Vincent's Healthcare Group's corporate...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(19 Dec 2013)

Simon Harris: It is not a terribly complicated question. I understand the restrictions on Mr. O'Brien, who is not, after all, responsible for running St. Vincent's University Hospital. However, the State is funding that institution. In the simplest terms, I am seeking to discover whether the post of chief executive of the university hospital is a full-time one that is paid for by the taxpayer. If the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(19 Dec 2013)

Simon Harris: Could one person define private income as an allowance while another might identify it as a salary?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(19 Dec 2013)

Simon Harris: Does Dr. Smith have any further information regarding the Master of the National Maternity Hospital's €45,000 externally-funded allowance? To what does that money relate?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(19 Dec 2013)

Simon Harris: I thank Dr. Smith.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(19 Dec 2013)

Simon Harris: As of now, Dr. Smith has not received any documentation.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(19 Dec 2013)

Simon Harris: That is obviously a matter which the committee will be obliged to pursue.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(19 Dec 2013)

Simon Harris: I welcome what I regard as the improvements in the governance standards and the new documents that the HSE has put together. When I put this point to St. Vincent's last week it responded with a media statement to the effect that this was a reasonable question and one that it would consider. I ask it to strongly consider it for the reasons that Mr. O’Brien has correctly given, to...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(19 Dec 2013)

Simon Harris: How did you get those?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(19 Dec 2013)

Simon Harris: It might provide them to the Companies Registration Office.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(19 Dec 2013)

Simon Harris: Does that mean they have been lodged with the Companies Registration Office?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(19 Dec 2013)

Simon Harris: Correct.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(19 Dec 2013)

Simon Harris: I am talking about the St. Vincent’s Healthcare Group accounts.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(19 Dec 2013)

Simon Harris: The point stands that my most recent inquiry established that it had not submitted the 2012 accounts to the Companies Registration Office. I will talk Dr. Smith through this. Page 6 of the healthcare group’s accounts contains a report from the independent auditors, PricewaterhouseCoopers. This seems to be a confusing and complex area. Somebody might guide me on it. There is an...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(19 Dec 2013)

Simon Harris: That is okay.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(19 Dec 2013)

Simon Harris: That is interesting because I want to be careful here. We had a detailed discussion with the Mater hospital earlier which was very useful. I do not want anybody to be worried about their pension. I fully understand that it is effectively underwritten by the taxpayer. I do not know whether you can shed any light on my query. I took St. Vincent’s at its word that this adverse...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(19 Dec 2013)

Simon Harris: Could the directors of St. Vincent’s address this issue in the body of their accounts to ensure that they do not have an adverse opinion because other organisations do not have one?

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