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Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
National Broadband Plan Expenditure and Related Matters
(10 Feb 2022)

Alan Dillon: Does NBI specifically talk about national figures versus county figures, or does it look at each of them separately?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
National Broadband Plan Expenditure and Related Matters
(10 Feb 2022)

Alan Dillon: Let us look at County Mayo, which I represent. Currently we have 9.1% at pre-order stage of the plan. Some 61% of premises have yet to be surveyed or even completed. I would like to get an understanding of how each area can be monitored, reviewed and assessed. That would give us better visibility on how we actually do things. To date, less than 10% is at pre-order stage in Mayo. I am...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
National Broadband Plan Expenditure and Related Matters
(10 Feb 2022)

Alan Dillon: If we are only at 10% now, what will it be like in two years' time?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
National Broadband Plan Expenditure and Related Matters
(10 Feb 2022)

Alan Dillon: Okay, I appreciate that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
National Broadband Plan Expenditure and Related Matters
(10 Feb 2022)

Alan Dillon: It is important to have that level of figures to ensure we can see progress on this. At present we have 10% with survey works under way, and 17.5% with survey works planned. We need to ensure that surveys have been completed, that people are confident to say that NBI is in their area, and that they see progress. It gives us assurances that people are not being forgotten. There are areas...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
National Broadband Plan Expenditure and Related Matters
(10 Feb 2022)

Alan Dillon: My question concerns the long-term plans for the operation and maintenance of the NBI network. While we see more homes being connected, what does that look like in terms of NBI's operational structure in each region? How will teams be deployed to maintain the network alongside subcontractors and building, surveying and engineering teams? When it becomes operational, will NBI build...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
National Broadband Plan Expenditure and Related Matters
(10 Feb 2022)

Alan Dillon: Will it be NBI or a subcontractor?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
National Broadband Plan Expenditure and Related Matters
(10 Feb 2022)

Alan Dillon: What would the ratio look like?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
National Broadband Plan Expenditure and Related Matters
(10 Feb 2022)

Alan Dillon: I welcome our guests who have joined us today. I thank them for their work to date on a hugely important project. Certainly, robust governance of a project of this scale is of huge importance. We have seen in another project costs spiral and timelines being pushed out. It is great to have the Department here to engage with the committee on this important matter. My first question is in...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
National Broadband Plan Expenditure and Related Matters
(10 Feb 2022)

Alan Dillon: Let us specifically look at deployment, survey and build. Has NBI delivered on both build and survey to date?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
National Broadband Plan Expenditure and Related Matters
(10 Feb 2022)

Alan Dillon: What was the Department's reaction to the failure to meet those KPIs? What course of action was originally agreed as per the contract?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
National Broadband Plan Expenditure and Related Matters
(10 Feb 2022)

Alan Dillon: Getting back to the KPIs, have penalties being imposed to date on failure to meet pre-approved delivery on the project?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
National Broadband Plan Expenditure and Related Matters
(10 Feb 2022)

Alan Dillon: For 2020 and 2021, the Department has paid full subsidies based on all milestones being achieved and KPIs being met.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
National Broadband Plan Expenditure and Related Matters
(10 Feb 2022)

Alan Dillon: The Department has not held back any money to date-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
National Broadband Plan Expenditure and Related Matters
(10 Feb 2022)

Alan Dillon: -----for failure to deliver to 60,000 homes as previously agreed.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
National Broadband Plan Expenditure and Related Matters
(10 Feb 2022)

Alan Dillon: A second area I want to focus on is the contractor payments made by the Department. We see that additional payments were made to NBI. The Department's team is supplemented by external legal, financial and technical advisers. To what extent is the Department reliant on additional experts to measure work carried out by NBI? We previously talked about KPMG and EY. More than €42...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
National Broadband Plan Expenditure and Related Matters
(10 Feb 2022)

Alan Dillon: Some €42 million has been spent to date on external contractors. Will that be an annual expense or is it just once-off?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
National Broadband Plan Expenditure and Related Matters
(10 Feb 2022)

Alan Dillon: There is expenditure of €15 million for specialised personnel, finance, procurement and advisory services from KPMG. Some €9 million has been spent on technical advisory services from Analysys Mason and €8 million has been spent on current legal advice. Are these once-off payments or will this continue over the duration of the contract?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
National Broadband Plan Expenditure and Related Matters
(10 Feb 2022)

Alan Dillon: Internally?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
National Broadband Plan Expenditure and Related Matters
(10 Feb 2022)

Alan Dillon: Will the Department have internal expertise? They are external and independent. How will it be managed within the Department?

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