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Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: Apologies have been received from Deputies Ó Cathasaigh, Munster and Verona Murphy. I welcome the witnesses. I remind all those in attendance to ensure their mobile phones are on silent mode or switched off. Before we start, I wish to explain some limitations to parliamentary privilege and the practice of the Houses as regards reference witnesses may make to other persons in their...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: I thank Mr. McCarthy. I wish Ms Buckley well and all the best in her new appointment. As we said in our letter of invitation, she has five minutes to make her opening statement.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: Briefly, please.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: That is okay and I thank Ms Buckley. I now invite Mr. Walsh to make his opening statement.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: I thank Mr. Walsh. The first committee member this morning is Deputy Alan Kelly, who has 15 minutes.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: We can, yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: In regard to the retrofit target for 500,000 houses by 2030, will Ms Buckley advise whether that target has been reduced?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: That means 40,000 retrofits a year between 2023 and 2025 and 75,000 over the final five years. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: The figure of 38,000 retrofits has been given, but only 8,400 deep retrofits were completed in 2022 to a building energy rating, BER, of B2. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: If we are talking about 500,000 deep retrofits and we have done 8,400 in 2022, what is the schedule to ramp that up? At that rate you would achieve just under 60,000, which is one ninth of the target for deep retrofits.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: Many of those will require deep retrofits to achieve a BER B2 rating. It would be a fair assessment to say that many of the houses that are being done are not the worst cases. They are not the houses with an F or G rating. Some of those are being done but what I am trying to understand is, if we are only doing 8,400 deep retrofits, and many of these homes will require a deep retrofit, and...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: What is the ramp-up rate?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: What percentage of those homes will require a deep retrofit? Is there an analysis of that?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: I hear Dr. Byrne's reply. However, what is not clear from the reply is that if most of them require a deep retrofit, how will you go from just over 8,000 in a year that was Covid-free, to 70,000 or 80,000 a year? How are you going to multiply that by ten?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: Is it a realistic target?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: It is a stretched target. How many workers are in the sector now?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: Laois-Offaly ETB has a big one.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: Has Dr. Byrne concerns that the workforce can be reinforced to that level?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: In regard to the carbon reduction return in terms of retrofits, I just looked at the chapter on it and Figure 8.9 on the targeted reduction in the residential built environment sector and contributions made by SEAI residential community retrofit schemes, 2019 to 2030. From the figures in that it would appear that the target emission reductions for the residential built environment, as can be...

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