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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Annie Hoey: Deputy Shortall asked about the golden share. Yesterday, my colleague, Deputy Duncan Smith, asked if this was a good model which the Minister would recommend. It seemed that he was like "Yeah, this seems to be a great idea, a Minister having a golden share." I am somewhat jokingly paraphrasing but he sort of said that this is a good model for a hospital and implied that it was a good model...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Annie Hoey: Someone was on saying the fact "clinically appropriate" is missing is a drafting issue and they are now saying it was supposed to be there. That is interesting because we have yet to be given an updated version. We may be able to discuss that in the next session. That is a significant omission.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Annie Hoey: I will seek clarity in the next session on this. Dr. Boylan mentioned that Bon Secours had merged with an American charity and there is the potential for that to happen with this. Will he elaborate on that? I have been in private and public meetings and in all our discussions thus far, that has not been discussed. Therefore, we have not had an opportunity to question and allay fears...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Annie Hoey: We had a discussion last night, not in this committee but in a different meeting, where there was something put forward that they could only take out a mortgage against the future value of it, which would be at the end of the term, which is in 300 years' time. I was also somewhat confused. Perhaps Mr. McGarr can give a legal analysis. We were told that they cannot, really, in any way,...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Annie Hoey: There we go.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Annie Hoey: It seems this is one of these ones where it seems to be pretty clear that they can in some circumstances, yet we were told explicitly that they cannot do that because of various legal this, that and the other. In the next session, it is a question I will be happy to ask again because I am not entirely clear on the answer on that. It just seems that we had a great opportunity here to...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Annie Hoey: I wish to raise two matters. In the previous session the mortgage and being able to borrow against the asset came up again. Ms Murphy spoke to us at length in a meeting last night about explaining the differences in that regard and how it can and cannot borrow against it. Will she explain that again because it arose in the previous session, where it was thought that it would be able to use...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Annie Hoey: Yes, but it could get a mortgage to use it in whatever other way it saw fit.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (11 May 2022)

Annie Hoey: It was nice to have a break to clear our heads. I appreciate why the Minister is saying here and on the airwaves, which is that the approximately eight hospitals that do not provide abortion are HSE-owned. I do not think it is necessarily the "gotcha" the Minister thinks it is. I think it undermines him as Minister for Health because it seems he cannot get his own State-owned hospitals to...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (11 May 2022)

Annie Hoey: I am highlighting what I think the public perceives when the Minister says that line. It is certainly what people have said to me. I do not think the line is helpful for the Minister in this debate. The Labour Party position is that we hand over too many projects or State assets to voluntary bodies. We are moving forward in Ireland. I appreciate that everyone here is painstakingly...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (11 May 2022)

Annie Hoey: Will the Minister answer my question on the indemnity? We are running out of time. It has been raised by a number of legal experts.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (11 May 2022)

Annie Hoey: Is what the Minister read out about the indemnity publicly available in the documents or agreements?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (11 May 2022)

Annie Hoey: Considering the size and seriousness of this, for the indemnity to be in a parliamentary question and not in the documents does not seem appropriate. It should have been available. We should not have to trek through Deputy Shortall's parliamentary questions to find it out. An indemnity in particular is very important.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (11 May 2022)

Annie Hoey: We have agreed that the site will not be sold, which is fine, because there were previous financial and legal agreements. What are those financial and legal agreements?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (11 May 2022)

Annie Hoey: We were told that St. Vincent's would not sell the land. It stated a couple of years ago that it was because of financial and legal agreements. What financial and legal agreements brought it to a point where it said it could not sell the land to the State? Is the Minister party to those agreements? I do not know that any information about those agreements has been made public. They are...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (11 May 2022)

Annie Hoey: I do not believe anyone is questioning it. I think that is putting words in people's mouths. Our job, as legislators, is to ask questions, including of the Minister. He is the one who is signing off on the deal on behalf of the State. It is only fair and appropriate that we do our job and ask him questions. I do not believe I have cast any aspersions on St. Vincent's Healthcare Group and...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (11 May 2022)

Annie Hoey: That is no problem.

Seanad: An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business (10 May 2022)

Annie Hoey: I have a couple of issues I am going to try to fly through. First, I ask the Leader to invite the Minister for Health to appear before the Seanad to discuss workforce planning within the health service. I know it sounds a little bit niche but I believe it is an issue that goes to the heart of many of the issues facing healthcare staff, most especially nurses. As the Leader may have seen,...

Seanad: Birth Information and Tracing Bill 2022: Second Stage (10 May 2022)

Annie Hoey: I thank the Acting Chairperson for sharing his own experience and stories so eloquently. I also thank the Minister for coming to the House to discuss the Bill with us. I pay tribute to him, and I know it is not something he hears often coming from Opposition politicians, even in the friendlier of the two Houses, namely, the Seanad. It bears saying that the Minister has done important and...

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