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Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2023
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(26 Jun 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: It does not sit within the audited accounts.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2023
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(26 Jun 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Does the deputy commissioner see the concern there?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2023
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(26 Jun 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: We have dealt with many organisations here where the cash retained by the organisation should have been accounted for and the details made available to the Committee of Public Accounts if that body was accountable to it. It is really concerning that, when I ask what cash An Garda Síochána has on hand in this system, those details cannot be provided and that An Garda...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2023
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(26 Jun 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: That is correct.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2023
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(26 Jun 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Agreed. Ultimately, I know, that cash is lodged to the Exchequer at the end of court proceedings. Very substantial figures have been transferred by the Garda National Drugs and Organised Crime Bureau. I think I saw a figure of €30 million. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2023
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(26 Jun 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Is there anybody within An Garda Síochána at this moment who knows how much cash is in storage?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2023
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(26 Jun 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Deputy Commissioner Coxon is unable to provide that figure, however.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2023
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(26 Jun 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Does the deputy commissioner know the scale of it? I am not asking her to be specific.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2023
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(26 Jun 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Will Dr. Coxon talk about what controls are in place in that regard?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2023
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(26 Jun 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: What about security arrangements? When audits were done in 2014 and subsequently years later, there were some concerns with regard to security and storage. Those concerns did not relate specifically to cash but were general concerns. I am taken aback that an organisation could come before the committee and state it has many millions of euro in cash in storage but the relevant figure is not...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2023
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(26 Jun 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Does Dr. Coxon accept it is a significant risk to the organisation and to the Exchequer?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2023
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(26 Jun 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2023
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(26 Jun 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Do those systems and controls reach the same standard as would apply if the money were in storage in a bank?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2023
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(26 Jun 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: On the people who have access to those facilities, are there controls in place?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2023
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(26 Jun 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: There were reports of items being checked out for long periods of time. I presume that does not apply to cash.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2023
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(26 Jun 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: That related to other items.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2023
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(26 Jun 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: There is €40 million that-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2023
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(26 Jun 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: That is a very significant sum to be held not electronically or in a bank but in cash notes. There is probably a job of work for the committee in that regard and we will come back to the witnesses on that. The security of that, and us being satisfied as to that security, is significant. I do not think there is another organisation in the State, although I accept the Garda is different,...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2023
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(26 Jun 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Mr. Harris will understand that the risk of potential fraud for a bank note is entirely different than the risk in respect of illegal drugs or a firearm. Cash is very transferable. It is legal tender.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2023
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
(26 Jun 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Bank notes pose a significant threat and there is over €40 million on hand. I have a real concern that that is not accounted for in the appropriate accounts or elsewhere.

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