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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Future of Mental Health Care: Mental Health Services: Discussion (Resumed) (9 May 2018)

Joan Freeman: I thank Professor Murray. Selected members will be given seven minutes each to ask questions and hear his answers. Before I hand over to them, though, I wish to clarify a matter, mainly for myself, but possibly for other members as well. We all know that there are problems with the recruitment and retention of staff. The committee that works with the NDTP - is this a paid position for your...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Future of Mental Health Care: Mental Health Services: Discussion (Resumed) (9 May 2018)

Joan Freeman: Okay. So the NDTP is one committee and it looks at the actual qualifications of potential candidates. The next crowd is CAAC, I think the witness called them. There is a huge amount of stuff going on in recruitment before the job is even advertised. I just want Professor Murray to clarify that. His charts show, for example, approved consultant posts; approving posts is very different...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Future of Mental Health Care: Mental Health Services: Discussion (Resumed) (9 May 2018)

Joan Freeman: Okay. I am not going to ask any more questions as the members need to ask them. We have Deputy Pat Buckley and then Senator Colette Kelleher.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Future of Mental Health Care: Mental Health Services: Discussion (Resumed) (9 May 2018)

Joan Freeman: I thank the Senator and ask Professor Murray to answer as succinctly as possible.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Future of Mental Health Care: Mental Health Services: Discussion (Resumed) (9 May 2018)

Joan Freeman: Perhaps the Professor could respond to us by email or letter indicating where we could go to find that information.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Future of Mental Health Care: Mental Health Services: Discussion (Resumed) (9 May 2018)

Joan Freeman: Senator Kelleher is absolutely right. We invited people in to talk about mental health. We are not really interested in the anaesthetists or anyone else. It was specifically mental health. Why were you two selected to come in for that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Future of Mental Health Care: Mental Health Services: Discussion (Resumed) (9 May 2018)

Joan Freeman: For mental health. This is a mental health committee.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Future of Mental Health Care: Mental Health Services: Discussion (Resumed) (9 May 2018)

Joan Freeman: That is it. Everything else is thrown in. The witnesses are not able to respond to Senator Kelleher's questions.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Future of Mental Health Care: Mental Health Services: Discussion (Resumed) (9 May 2018)

Joan Freeman: I think it is up to the committee to make a recommendation, anyway, Senator.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Future of Mental Health Care: Mental Health Services: Discussion (Resumed) (9 May 2018)

Joan Freeman: We are looking at the problem of recruitment and retention. Professor Murray spoke about two committees making decisions before there is even a recruitment process.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Future of Mental Health Care: Mental Health Services: Discussion (Resumed) (9 May 2018)

Joan Freeman: How long does that process take?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Future of Mental Health Care: Mental Health Services: Discussion (Resumed) (9 May 2018)

Joan Freeman: Is that Professor Murray's role? Has he the authority to answer that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Future of Mental Health Care: Mental Health Services: Discussion (Resumed) (9 May 2018)

Joan Freeman: Deputy Buckley is right. Are the witnesses the right people to be here today? Who are the people who are supposed to recruit nationally? The NDTP is not it.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Future of Mental Health Care: Mental Health Services: Discussion (Resumed) (9 May 2018)

Joan Freeman: Can I again interfere here? This is causing all of us desperate anguish. The witnesses have even written down themselves the delaying factors involved, but we are still not getting a clear picture. The floor is open for the remainder of the meeting.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Future of Mental Health Care: Mental Health Services: Discussion (Resumed) (9 May 2018)

Joan Freeman: I beg your pardon, Deputy Neville. I did not realise you had replaced somebody.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Future of Mental Health Care: Mental Health Services: Discussion (Resumed) (9 May 2018)

Joan Freeman: Could the information be forwarded to us?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Future of Mental Health Care: Mental Health Services: Discussion (Resumed) (9 May 2018)

Joan Freeman: One more, but we will then move to Deputy Catherine Martin.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Future of Mental Health Care: Mental Health Services: Discussion (Resumed) (9 May 2018)

Joan Freeman: We can revert to Deputy Tom Neville, but I will hand over to Deputy Catherine Martin. Before I do, is it the case that Professor Murray, essentially, is reporting to himself? Is there not a conflict of interest?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Future of Mental Health Care: Mental Health Services: Discussion (Resumed) (9 May 2018)

Joan Freeman: It sounds complicated. I will pass over immediately to Deputy Catherine Martin.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Future of Mental Health Care: Mental Health Services: Discussion (Resumed) (9 May 2018)

Joan Freeman: The Professor made a point that the problem is getting the actual applicants. This committee has discovered it is not the problem. There is a national recruitment process whereby a panel of people, some of whom do not even have the expertise in recruiting a possible candidate, will interview people. Those who are looking for the job could be waiting for a year to be interviewed. They have...

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