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Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Catherine Connolly: I understand and I read that. Is there more than one or do I have repetitions of them? Is there more than one memorandum of understanding?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Catherine Connolly: Obviously it was not complied with. Is that not right, from what we know?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Catherine Connolly: Now we have a review by the HSE to try to find out the issues with the hospitals and how widespread this is. I will go back to Ms Nugent. She took great care to tell us that the media reports were wrong and that this did not happen in a private clinic. Personally, it is immaterial to me. What is important is that the consultant was doing this in a clinic in a public hospital, privately.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Catherine Connolly: Ms Nugent is shaking her head so I will simplify it. Public patients are seen by a consultant on a Saturday though the National Treatment Purchase Fund. Is that right?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Catherine Connolly: Was that one of a number of consultants?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Catherine Connolly: Were the other consultants involved in that work on a Saturday?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Catherine Connolly: I thank the Chair.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Catherine Connolly: To go back to Children's Health Ireland and its financial statements, I meant to ask on the previous occasion about legal settlements, but I ran out of time. CHI's financial statements clearly disclose a total sum of €125,500 with regard to the Workplace Relations Commission but they do not give any figures for the claims under the State Claims Agency. Can Mr. Fitzpatrick just...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Catherine Connolly: I am asking about the 32 claims that were settled.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Catherine Connolly: I am asking about the 32 claims with the State Claims Agency.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Catherine Connolly: Does Mr. Fitzpatrick have any details on the cost? He gave us a figure for the WRC.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Catherine Connolly: Does Mr. Fitzpatrick have a figure for those or information on the nature of the cases?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Catherine Connolly: CHI would be fully-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Catherine Connolly: Will CHI be able to give us figures on it?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Catherine Connolly: Yes, I imagine so.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Catherine Connolly: It would also be to prevent. That is the reason the figure is not disclosed there. Mr. Fitzpatrick might come back to us with that figure.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Catherine Connolly: He might let us know one way or another because we will then pursue it with the State Claims Agency. With regard to the National Treatment Purchase Fund, consultants cannot refer from public to private. I think the witnesses have excluded that as a possibility, have they?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Catherine Connolly: It cannot happen.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Catherine Connolly: I was asking about private patients and the failure to collect the insurance, and the seriousness of that concept of having children as private patients. How many patients would be seen as private patients with an income coming in? It is relatively small, I think, because the figure is €14 million or something.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Catherine Connolly: How does that happen? The family have VHI cover or some other insurance and when someone is admitted to hospital, they are asked if they have insurance, which CHI is not entitled to ask.

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