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Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Bobby Aylward: It is late in the evening and most of my questions have already been asked but I will touch on a few that I want clarified. A very good and worthy service is being provided as in many cases both parents now work but, without all of the grandmothers and grandfathers of this country, the service would be under very serious pressure. Fair play to all of the grandmothers, in particular, who...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Bobby Aylward: I wish to refer to the surplus and surrender of funding back in 2017 and 2018. As much as €58.7 million in 2017 and €48.5 million in 2016 was returned even though there are waiting lists and there is a demand for the service. In my own constituency people have approached me to start up services. Why was this money not utilised instead of being handed back? Why was it not...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Bobby Aylward: It does not sound right that one must wait until the end of the year before one knows whether one will have between €40 million and €50 million left over.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Bobby Aylward: What is the situation for 2018-2019 or the present situation? Has any money been surrendered this year?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Bobby Aylward: Is there funding available for new start-ups as there is demand?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Bobby Aylward: That sounds good. I looked through the report by Pobal and in the section entitled Statement on Internal Control it was stated that "14% of contracts were deemed to be major non-compliant". That is 14% of €320 million so it is roughly €45 million. Does that imply there was value for money? What does the term "non-compliant" mean?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Bobby Aylward: Is the figure of €45 million correct?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Bobby Aylward: I was here.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Bobby Aylward: Will that money be recovered?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Bobby Aylward: Will it be got back?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Bobby Aylward: How much of the 14% or €45 million will be recovered?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Bobby Aylward: Was there falsification? That question was asked earlier.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Bobby Aylward: A person may be paid for minding a child for eight hours a day, but may only do so for two hours. I am not going over the same ground again.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Bobby Aylward: How does the Department prevent such practices? Are they still happening? Are spot checks carried out?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Bobby Aylward: That will be done without inspections.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Bobby Aylward: Will there be regular spot checks in Carlow-Kilkenny, for example? Is every provider visited once a year?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Bobby Aylward: What percentage of providers are compliant as evidenced by those visits.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Bobby Aylward: To follow up on a point made by Deputy O'Connell, is the policy to go for bigger or smaller crèches? In rural areas, there are small crèches with ten, 15 or 20 children. What is the general policy? Is Pobal in favour of bigger crèches which cater for 40, 50 or more children, or does prefer smaller crèches with ten or 15 children. What is the best policy?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Bobby Aylward: What is the average number of children in a crèche?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Bobby Aylward: That is a large number of children.

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