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Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: Okay. I will open for a second round of questions. Deputy Catherine Murphy has seven minutes.

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: I will come back to the Deputy again for another round. With regard to the procurement process, PwC stated that significant failures occurred during the crucial planning and budgeting stages of the project, that the basis of the original budget was flawed and that risks were underestimated in the business case. It stated there was a lack of sufficient comprehensive and robust planning for...

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: I mentioned three things. I do not expect our guests to agree with my observations on the location, design and contract. These are what I was referring to. With regard to the contract itself, PwC examined this matter. From my reading of this, the design was not finally nailed down until nearly three years after the contract was awarded. The first phase of the contract was in 2016 and the...

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: On the day of the site visit, in the presence of a member of the board and a member of BAM management, I asked to be shown an example of something that had brought about a claim. I was shown a doorway and window that had to be moved slightly. Am I correct in saying that during the process over the past five years - I know there was a period at the beginning before the contract was awarded...

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: I am trying to understand this. The public are trying to understand it. I accept there will be claims. If it was only a house that was being built, there would be variations. However, there is a substantial number of them in this case. A substantial amount of money is being sought. I am trying to get my head around how this came about. Is it the case that there were design changes and...

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: That is what I am asking about.

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: I do not-----

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: A lot of claims arose from that.

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: How much has the design team been paid to date?

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: How much will they have been paid by the time the ribbon is cut? What is the total?

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: A figure must have been agreed at this stage.

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: They could be on site for another two years.

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: None of the witnesses disagreed that this could run into January 2026.

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: I understand that. We could be looking at early 2026 before the opening of the doors.

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: I know. It is also a matter for the development board because CHI is depending on the board. If the house is not built, the furniture cannot be moved in.

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: The design team has received €89 million.

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: Is there a final price for either?

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: Incrementally, if payments are being made every three months, perhaps it can be roughly estimated that-----

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: We have approximately another two years to go. Okay, I will bring Deputy Dillon back in.

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: We have been provided with some photos of what the building looks like. When we had the site visit and were up on top of the building as it then was, I asked whether solar panels would be fitted on it. Will there be solar panels on it?

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