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Seanad: Children and Family Relationships Bill 2015: Committee Stage (26 Mar 2015)

Rónán Mullen: I will support this amendment if Senator Power puts it to a vote. I endorse everything Senator Healy Eames has just said. Senator Power has stated herself that she had certain concerns in this regard. I say this with great respect for her but the more I think about it, her concern and great track record on related issues really suggests to me that she should be a lot closer to the side of...

Seanad: Children and Family Relationships Bill 2015: Committee Stage (26 Mar 2015)

Rónán Mullen: Actually, I was addressing the table or my desk.

Seanad: Children and Family Relationships Bill 2015: Committee Stage (26 Mar 2015)

Rónán Mullen: She should be a lot closer to the side of the argument that Senator Quinn and I have been trying to advance this afternoon. It leads me to think that sometimes, Members get fixed views about one another's position. They acquire fixed views or perhaps may suspect the motives of those who propose something that is not that far away from what they themselves think in their minds and hearts....

Seanad: Children and Family Relationships Bill 2015: Committee Stage (26 Mar 2015)

Rónán Mullen: I am going to do something that perhaps I do not do often enough and perhaps not many of us here do often enough and say that I got it wrong. I would like to refine the context in which I referred to commodification because it is a word that should be used in a very precise and specific manner only. First, I am only referring to the commodification of gametes. Second, I am only talking...

Seanad: Children and Family Relationships Bill 2015: Committee Stage (26 Mar 2015)

Rónán Mullen: It was not in the same tone. With regard to Senator Bacik, I think I could have written the script beforehand.

Seanad: Children and Family Relationships Bill 2015: Committee Stage (26 Mar 2015)

Rónán Mullen: The words of censure were reserved for one side.

Seanad: Children and Family Relationships Bill 2015: Committee Stage (26 Mar 2015)

Rónán Mullen: Absolutely. However, Senator van Turnhout, if you had been in my position I think you would also have made a comment about this. Let us respect each other as colleagues. I am advancing what I believe is the fundamental human rights position, which is the prior right of the child. I do that with integrity according to my likes and in no sense to denigrate any other person but in a real way...

Seanad: Children and Family Relationships Bill 2015: Committee Stage (26 Mar 2015)

Rónán Mullen: As there is no need to say much, I will do not do so. On the accusations of prejudice, how can anyone know what is going on in another person's heart or mind? I contrast Senator Conway's generous-----

Seanad: Children and Family Relationships Bill 2015: Committee Stage (26 Mar 2015)

Rónán Mullen: The bottom line is that while the amendment is very good in so far it goes, it is modest and timid on giving children what they deserve from these circumstances.

Seanad: Children and Family Relationships Bill 2015: Committee Stage (26 Mar 2015)

Rónán Mullen: I do not intend to speak to my amendment similar to that of Senator Walsh on inheritable diseases as he addressed eloquently the same issues. I ask the Minister to clarify. Is it the case that a person who is donor conceived might never discover that fact if he or she does not go looking for that information? If that scenario is possible, is it that their parents do not inform them? At...

Seanad: Children and Family Relationships Bill 2015: Committee Stage (26 Mar 2015)

Rónán Mullen: Perhaps the Minister answered this indirectly or perhaps I did not hear the response, but will she clarify the question I asked as to whether it is the case that under the law a person may never find out the truth about his or her origins or may not find out until in his or her 40s or 50s? Is that the case under the proposed law?

Seanad: Children and Family Relationships Bill 2015: Committee Stage (26 Mar 2015)

Rónán Mullen: Does the Minister acknowledge she is legislating for the potential a child will never find out?

Seanad: Children and Family Relationships Bill 2015: Committee Stage (26 Mar 2015)

Rónán Mullen: I move amendment No. 19: In page 23, line 30, to delete "any".I will not keep the House long with this one.

Seanad: Children and Family Relationships Bill 2015: Committee Stage (26 Mar 2015)

Rónán Mullen: This is where the law will provide for the "payment of reasonable expenses" to the donor. Section 19(3) provides: In this section, "reasonable expenses" means, in relation to a donor, the donor’s—(a) travel costs, (b) medical expenses, and (c) any legal or counselling costs,incurred by him or her in relation to the provision of the gamete or, as the case may be, the giving...

Seanad: Children and Family Relationships Bill 2015: Committee Stage (26 Mar 2015)

Rónán Mullen: We sympathise with her.

Seanad: Children and Family Relationships Bill 2015: Committee Stage (26 Mar 2015)

Rónán Mullen: I have not understood the reply of the Minister. Is she saying that, without the word "any", it would be broader or less broad in terms of what could be claimed for?

Seanad: Children and Family Relationships Bill 2015: Committee Stage (26 Mar 2015)

Rónán Mullen: Without the word "any"?

Seanad: Children and Family Relationships Bill 2015: Committee Stage (26 Mar 2015)

Rónán Mullen: Surely, any legal or counselling costs means that anything can get in as legal or counselling costs.

Seanad: Children and Family Relationships Bill 2015: Committee Stage (26 Mar 2015)

Rónán Mullen: That "if" does not require that "any", if I may say so.

Seanad: Children and Family Relationships Bill 2015: Committee Stage (26 Mar 2015)

Rónán Mullen: I do not intend to detain the House any more at this point. We may return to the matter on Report Stage when I have read the response.

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