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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2023)

Catherine Murphy: We should be very concerned about this. I would like to acknowledge that the work in Children's Health Ireland, CHI, Tallaght and Connolly is completed. They are working very well and credit where it is due. One of the questions that was responded to in this piece of correspondence was in relation to the fit-out. It is at pains to point out that the fit-out has no bearing on the other...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2023)

Catherine Murphy: What other organisations are behind with audits? Would this be one of the big ones?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2023)

Catherine Murphy: We have all felt very frustrated over the lack of information and the non-availability of files. The most up-to-date account available to us is actually adding to that. It is very unsatisfactory. It was not just one source that Nicola Byrne from The Irish Mail on Sunday used; there were two. The Chair is absolutely right about that. If somebody has told senior paediatricians that the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2023)

Catherine Murphy: I know this one quite well. The building is a protected structure and the local authority has imposed an enforcement notice on it because it does not have the benefit of planning permission, yet there was a Department contract. There is no issue regarding who is occupying the building. There was a statutory instrument that allowed for commercial or industrial buildings to be used but that...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2023)

Catherine Murphy: It has gone from a warning letter to an enforcement notice. It is a time-limited enforcement notice.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Yes. It may well be that it could also go to the Department of Housing, Local Government and Heritage because there are compliance issues. It is really about the contract, what due diligence is done in advance of contracts, and compliance with other elements of the law.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Will the Cathaoirleach clarify to what he is referring?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2023)

Catherine Murphy: There is a logic we have been following in a thread of our discussions, which can be seen to continue by way of an engagement with Sport Ireland and the Department of Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media. If we are going to do a report on the whole area of sports governance, it strikes me that it makes sense to have a meeting with the Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board. The...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2023)

Catherine Murphy: May we have members of the IHRB in on 29 June?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2023)

Catherine Murphy: An engagement with the Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine should be a subset of our consideration of the broader issue. We should be looking at the governance around the IHRB.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Is Deputy Burke referring to the IHRB?.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2023)

Catherine Murphy: This is an issue that has arisen previously. There is a real difficulty in figuring out who funds what and where the boundaries are. The last time we had a substantial engagement on this, we were quite shocked that there seemed to be a kind of blending of the two bodies, with some of the same people on both boards.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2023)

Catherine Murphy: The issue is governance as much as it is about the severance payment. The latter is part of the same, broader issue.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Looking back at where there have been significant issues in the sports area, they have been very damaging to some of the sports involved. In the case of the Olympic Federation of Ireland and the FAI, there were significant governance failures in both instances. The horse racing industry is a very sizeable one. It weakens that industry if its governance is not properly organised, with...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2023)

Catherine Murphy: It is the governance.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2023)

Catherine Murphy: If the majority wants to do that, that will be the decision.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2023)

Catherine Murphy: I would be happy to opt for the Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board if we could have the Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine as well.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2023)

Catherine Murphy: I ask that we bring in the National Paediatric Hospital Development Board in the autumn because of the accounts.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2023)

Catherine Murphy: It may well be that we may need to look at it at some point. Under the definition of value for money, it is not about what one spends, but the services one gets. Every one of us knows that some services are really threadbare. I have never met a parent with a child with special needs who was not an advocate with a big file under their arms. They are constantly just battering down doors to...

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