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Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 4: Accountability of the Central Funding of Local Authorities.
(26 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: I call Deputy Verona Murphy.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 4: Accountability of the Central Funding of Local Authorities.
(26 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: Deputy, please give our guests time to respond.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 4: Accountability of the Central Funding of Local Authorities.
(26 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: I suggest Mr. Doyle responds briefly.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 4: Accountability of the Central Funding of Local Authorities.
(26 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: I think all we want to hear is what is being done now to accelerate the decisions of An Bord Pleaná because we all know of cases in our constituencies that have been held up for years.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 4: Accountability of the Central Funding of Local Authorities.
(26 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: To be honest, Deputy, I have given a full run.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 4: Accountability of the Central Funding of Local Authorities.
(26 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: To be helpful, and I understand that the Department cannot get involved in an individual case, but please convey to An Bord Pleanála the extreme frustration with the cases that are still being delayed a long time?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 4: Accountability of the Central Funding of Local Authorities.
(26 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: There is a small number of cases where individuals have waited well over a year. Please convey to An Bord Pleanála that this matter must be dealt with, as a matter of priority. I ask that because people are frustrated and there are human consequences. Please convey that to An Bord Pleanála. We understand that progress is being made but we need a step change and efforts must be...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 4: Accountability of the Central Funding of Local Authorities.
(26 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: I spoke to representatives about the housing crisis and it would be great if the planning bottleneck could be addressed.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 4: Accountability of the Central Funding of Local Authorities.
(26 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: I want to come back to the issue of housing. I do not want to delay the meeting but we are trying to get all of the answers today. On the previous occasion on which Mr. Doyle was before the committee, I raised the issue of many approved housing body builds from the 1990s, which were 95% funded by the public, now coming out of their term of finance. In other words, the loan has been paid...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 4: Accountability of the Central Funding of Local Authorities.
(26 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: The crux of it is this. If the Department or a local authority does not have some legal grip on this housing it will be a free for all and allocations can be made to whomever people like. Hello money can be charged at whatever amount for tenants coming in. Rents can be set at market rates even though it is social housing. The people living in them will continue to be handed forms by...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 4: Accountability of the Central Funding of Local Authorities.
(26 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: Mr. Doyle can come back to me. We want to know specifically what legal instrument and legal hold does the State have. Much of the housing built last year was done through approved housing bodies. I do not have a problem with them and there are some very good approved housing bodies, such as Clúid and Respond. A number of the houses built in an earlier phase are coming out of term and...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 4: Accountability of the Central Funding of Local Authorities.
(26 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 4: Accountability of the Central Funding of Local Authorities.
(26 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: I do not want to cut Mr. Doyle short but all of what can be done with the units is predicated on what legal hold the local authority and the Department, in other words the State, has. There is a pile of these units and I can see them in my orbit. I have huge concerns that we will lose this housing stock.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 4: Accountability of the Central Funding of Local Authorities.
(26 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: Particularly the legal hold. I know there are different schemes such as the capital advance leasing facility, CALF, and the capital assistance scheme, CAS, but will Mr. Doyle write concerning the ones that have come in, are coming in and will come in over the next five or six years?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 4: Accountability of the Central Funding of Local Authorities.
(26 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: Yes, it is for the committee. There is a particular scheme locally with which there is a peculiarity. The committee should get-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 4: Accountability of the Central Funding of Local Authorities.
(26 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: The last time the Department was at the committee, we raised the issue the ability of the National Building Control and Market Surveillance Office to monitor what is going on in the building industry. We are facing a huge bill with mica and we had a huge bill with pyrite. There have been cases like Priory Hall and other problems. The best way of solving a problem is to not create it. It...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 4: Accountability of the Central Funding of Local Authorities.
(26 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: Will Mr. Doyle come back to the committee with an update on that? How many fines has the office handed out since its inception? What is the value of those fines? How many business notice cessations were handed out in the past few years? How many product recalls have there been on foot of inspections by the office? The point I am getting at is that we cannot have another mica. We just...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Chapter 4: Accountability of the Central Funding of Local Authorities.
(26 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: Will Uisce Éireann come back to the committee with a reply on the number of mains replacements that have taken place since 2014, when it became operational? What was the spend each year on mains replacements? I have questions about two specific schemes. I refer to the taking in charge of estates put in place by developers. I will mention two particular ones in County Laois. There...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: The business before us this afternoon is minutes, accounts, financial statements, correspondence, work programme and any other business. The first item is the minutes of our meeting on 19 October, which were circulated. Any members who wish to raise anything should feel free to do so. Are the minutes agreed? Agreed. As usual, the minutes will be published on the committee's webpage. I...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2023)

Brian Stanley: Since no members wish to raise issues related to those accounts and financial statements, can we agree to note them? Agreed. As usual, the list of accounts and financial statements will be published as part of our minutes. Let me move on to correspondence. As previously agreed, items not flagged for discussion at this meeting will continue to be dealt with in accordance with the...

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