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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Appointment of Special Envoys: Secretary General of the Department of the Taoiseach (29 Sep 2021)

John Brady: Okay, the Chairman will not allow that question. I will ask this question then. Mr. Fraser has headed up a number of investigations going back to 2017. There were media reports relating to the leaking of confidential Cabinet material two years later. We are led to believe by a report in one of the newspapers that the investigation still ongoing. We now know there was an investigation...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Appointment of Special Envoys: Secretary General of the Department of the Taoiseach (29 Sep 2021)

John Brady: The only reason we have been talking about this issue over recent months is because it has been leaked from Cabinet. That is the only reason we are talking about this here now. It is critical to get some information.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Appointment of Special Envoys: Secretary General of the Department of the Taoiseach (29 Sep 2021)

John Brady: The only reason he is here is because of the information leaked from Cabinet in the first place.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Appointment of Special Envoys: Secretary General of the Department of the Taoiseach (29 Sep 2021)

John Brady: I am trying to establish what is being done by Mr. Fraser-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Appointment of Special Envoys: Secretary General of the Department of the Taoiseach (29 Sep 2021)

John Brady: -----who has been tasked by Cabinet.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Appointment of Special Envoys: Secretary General of the Department of the Taoiseach (29 Sep 2021)

John Brady: I have made no political charges whatsoever. I disagree entirely with that charge. I have made no political charges to Mr. Fraser. I am just trying to establish some key facts. The reason we are talking about this matter again today is because that private confidential information was leaked from Cabinet. It has now been established that back in 2017 and in January, Mr. Fraser headed up...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Appointment of Special Envoys: Secretary General of the Department of the Taoiseach (29 Sep 2021)

John Brady: Absolutely not.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Appointment of Special Envoys: Secretary General of the Department of the Taoiseach (29 Sep 2021)

John Brady: There is no charge against the public service.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Appointment of Special Envoys: Secretary General of the Department of the Taoiseach (29 Sep 2021)

John Brady: There is no charge against the public service whatsoever. Perhaps Mr. Fraser might answer the question I posed to him.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Appointment of Special Envoys: Secretary General of the Department of the Taoiseach (29 Sep 2021)

John Brady: Sorry, Chairman-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Appointment of Special Envoys: Secretary General of the Department of the Taoiseach (29 Sep 2021)

John Brady: Sorry, Chairman, I disagree with that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Appointment of Special Envoys: Secretary General of the Department of the Taoiseach (29 Sep 2021)

John Brady: Mr. Fraser said he is heading up an investigation into the leaking of confidential material from Cabinet back in January. He said he is not investigating the information relating to the appointment of Dr. Zappone. Does he deem the leaking of material from Cabinet to be a legal issue? Is that a criminal issue or a legal issue? Is it unlawful? Surely Mr. Fraser must be able to answer that...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Appointment of Special Envoys: Secretary General of the Department of the Taoiseach (29 Sep 2021)

John Brady: I have two final questions.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Appointment of Special Envoys: Secretary General of the Department of the Taoiseach (29 Sep 2021)

John Brady: Was Mr. Fraser asked to try to establish how the information about the appointment of Dr. Zappone made its way into the public arena?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Appointment of Special Envoys: Secretary General of the Department of the Taoiseach (29 Sep 2021)

John Brady: Therefore, he was not asked to include that in any previous investigation that he was tasked to head up?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Appointment of Special Envoys: Secretary General of the Department of the Taoiseach (29 Sep 2021)

John Brady: He has not spoken to anyone in Cabinet about how this information got into the public arena.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Appointment of Special Envoys: Secretary General of the Department of the Taoiseach (29 Sep 2021)

John Brady: I wish Mr. Fraser would answer one or two questions because we are getting very little. I have one final question. Was the investigation in 2017 into material making its way from Cabinet into the public arena completed?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Appointment of Special Envoys: Secretary General of the Department of the Taoiseach (29 Sep 2021)

John Brady: I will finish with this question. Are any outstanding investigations being headed up by Mr. Fraser relating to any dealings within Cabinet?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Appointment of Special Envoys: Secretary General of the Department of the Taoiseach (29 Sep 2021)

John Brady: Mr. Fraser has spoken to Ministers on that to try to establish-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Appointment of Special Envoys: Secretary General of the Department of the Taoiseach (29 Sep 2021)

John Brady: Mr. Fraser has not spoken to the Garda either.

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