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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: His request is specific to the Comptroller and Auditor General because he had a special report on the cost of school transport, and he had been following this committee.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: The correspondent will see what happened today in the transcript, if not on the screen. If he feels it is of value, we can forward it to the other committee in due course. That is as far as we can take it today.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: We will cherry-pick a few because we do not have time to get through them all. We have most of the work done but there will be a bit of an overrun to next week. Deputy Murphy had two in mind.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: It deals with the public services card, PSC. The correspondence is from Deputies Murphy and Cullinane and relates to our work programme.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: We wrote to the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform about the use of the card across other public bodies.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: We raised that issue in a small way when the Department of Employment Affairs and Social Protection was last before the committee. The cost then was €60 million and we included that in our latest periodic report. It is scheduled to come back in shortly after the budget. It is the Department incurring the majority, if not most, of the costs. We can contact it. Ms Dixon will not be...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: I have not dealt with that. It is on today's list, No. 2380C.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: I support doing that. Most Members will be aware that we have met the person concerned. For those who are new to this iissue, this individual made a protected disclosure on certain issues. This was not resolved satisfactorily within the prison service. Through the Department and the Prison Service, the services of a retired judge were requested to do a report. He gave a report that fully...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: We will leave this matter by politely saying that this is unfair treatment. We are asking the Department to move and bring this to an amicable solution as quickly as possible. We can write legal letters from here to eternity but that will not solve the problem.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: The Department of Public Expenditure and Reform.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: We will proceed with further work The next item is reports and statements on accounts received: Carbon Fund, clear audit opinion; Pensions Authority, clear audit opinion; Sustainable Energy Authority Ireland, clear audit opinion; Local Government Fund, clear audit opinion; The Gathering Project 2013, clear audit opinion; An Bord Pleanála, clear audit opinion - it is appearing here...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: We will get the transcript from last week but I want to formally minute that automatically even if we do not it from now to ensure that this will happen automatically. This will put direct pressure back on the chief executive officer of the organisation that if he or she does not comply with public procurement, it will be raised formally at the Committee of Public Accounts and the person...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: I apologise as we have accounts on a further page. We have been very environmentally-friendly by having some of these on the reverse side of the page and we are saving on paper.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: Cork ETB have a clear audit opinion but attention is drawn to non-compliant procurement to the value of €2 million. We are writing directly to it, as we have just mentioned. Regarding Kildare and Wicklow ETB, attention is drawn to lapses of internal control-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: This is a national issue for all of the ETBs. There is a national centralised service. They do not have their own internal audit function. They want a national service. They are based in Cavan and have trouble recruiting because staff are told that they need to spend a week in Cork, Donegal. This means they have trouble retaining staff.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: No, several ETBs raised this issue last year with us.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: The other ETBs raised the matter previously.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: We move on Kildare and Wicklow ETB, non-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: When will the 2017 and 2018 accounts be available?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: The Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General had to get the 2016 accounts out of the way before it could move forward.

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