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Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2021
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Revised)
(30 Mar 2021)

John McGuinness: Turning back to the Estimates, under heading B6, Leinster House is mentioned. The figures for 2020 and 2021 are €3.9 million and €3.5 million, respectively. What do those figures represent?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2021
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Revised)
(30 Mar 2021)

John McGuinness: In that case, there will be a further spend in 2021.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2021
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Revised)
(30 Mar 2021)

John McGuinness: There is a heading relating to other programmes and projects. That is a very broad heading. It is like in accounting if there is a heading called "Miscellaneous", which is usually the one worth examining. This heading relates to €9.2 million in 2020 and €7 million in 2021. What are other programmes and projects? The subhead is B6. The Minister of State might just revert to...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2021
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Revised)
(30 Mar 2021)

John McGuinness: The OPW comes under the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform. Is that correct?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2021
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Revised)
(30 Mar 2021)

John McGuinness: An analysis or report on capability regarding the delivery of major Government projects and other matters was carried out by EY, having been commissioned for the Department? Did that involve the OPW?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2021
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Revised)
(30 Mar 2021)

John McGuinness: I understand that. Did it examine the OPW?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2021
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Revised)
(30 Mar 2021)

John McGuinness: There were certain criticisms in the report. What has happened as a result of the report? I have read extracts from the report and recent proceedings of the Committee of Public Accounts, where a person was giving evidence. It is something on which we should perhaps have a meeting to discuss the outcomes. Does the Minister of State have any comment on it now?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2021
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Revised)
(30 Mar 2021)

John McGuinness: Will the Minister of State comment on the capital spend on the upgrade of buildings and offices? There is a figure allocated but I cannot find it at the moment.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2021
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Revised)
(30 Mar 2021)

John McGuinness: Yes.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2021
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Revised)
(30 Mar 2021)

John McGuinness: A figure is given for capital expenditure on offices and so on. What is involved?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2021
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Revised)
(30 Mar 2021)

John McGuinness: What work is being undertaken in the Four Courts?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2021
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Revised)
(30 Mar 2021)

John McGuinness: We are running out of time so I will come back to the Minister of State on some of the other questions. I have a matter to attend to before we come to a conclusion. Was the Ernst & Young report published or was it an in-house report?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2021
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Revised)
(30 Mar 2021)

John McGuinness: I will have a look at it.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2021
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Revised)
(30 Mar 2021)

John McGuinness: If I were looking at the report, I would probably look at the properties - Thornton Hall, Fairgreen in Galway, Merrion Square, the Mullingar site and Batty Langley Lodge. It is estimated that €31.35 million may have been overspent on those projects.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2021
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Revised)
(30 Mar 2021)

John McGuinness: Regardless of whether it is dumped on the OPW, there is a responsibility to get value for money.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2021
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Revised)
(30 Mar 2021)

John McGuinness: Yes, but the OPW still managed to overspend €31.35 million.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2021
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Revised)
(30 Mar 2021)

John McGuinness: Maybe that is a lesson for them.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2021
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Revised)
(30 Mar 2021)

John McGuinness: I will come back to the Minister of State on the report as we need to look at it in more detail.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2021
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Revised)
(30 Mar 2021)

John McGuinness: I thank the Minister of State and his officials for attending.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Message to Dáil (30 Mar 2021)

John McGuinness: In accordance with Standing Order 101, the following message will be sent to the Dáil: The Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach has completed its consideration of the following Revised Estimate for public services for the year ending 31 December 2021: Vote 13 - Office of Public Works.

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