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Seanad: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Committee Stage (Resumed) (13 Feb 2018)

David Norris: To avoid confusion and to allow me to table an amendment on Report Stage, I did say that I strongly supported Senator Grace O'Sullivan; I just said it in a general way. I would like to indicate to the Minister of State that, with regard to section 28, I intend to put down an amendment in respect of lines 20 and 21 to remove the phrase "engaged in the provision of a programme that leads to an...

Seanad: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Committee Stage (Resumed) (13 Feb 2018)

David Norris: Hear, hear.

Seanad: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Committee Stage (Resumed) (13 Feb 2018)

David Norris: And rightly so.

Seanad: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Committee Stage (Resumed) (13 Feb 2018)

David Norris: Hear, hear.

Seanad: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Committee Stage (Resumed) (13 Feb 2018)

David Norris: They are hardly the best.

Seanad: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Committee Stage (Resumed) (13 Feb 2018)

David Norris: Céard faoi Choláiste na Tríonóide?

Seanad: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Committee Stage (Resumed) (13 Feb 2018)

David Norris: I think University College Dublin has slightly more than 20,000 students. Trinity College has 20,000 students.

Seanad: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Committee Stage (Resumed) (13 Feb 2018)

David Norris: To me, the question of numbers is a load of old balls. When I was in Trinity College 50 years ago, the combined number of staff and students was less than 3,000. It was still one of the best universities in the world. I am not convinced by the argument about numbers. Can I say that the Institute of Technology, Carlow is excellent?

Seanad: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Committee Stage (Resumed) (13 Feb 2018)

David Norris: I have spoken in Carlow. I was terribly impressed by the students. I am not sure whether it has expanded into the humanities and law and so on.

Seanad: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Committee Stage (Resumed) (13 Feb 2018)

David Norris: Very good. I certainly know that Waterford Institute of Technology, for which I spoke ten or 15 years ago looking for it to be made a university, has expanded vigorously into law and the humanities. That is what makes a university. I simply do not believe one can have a university which is just technical. It is not a university if it is just technical. The word "university" suggests a...

Seanad: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Committee Stage (Resumed) (13 Feb 2018)

David Norris: Is there an institute of technology in Wexford?

Seanad: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Committee Stage (Resumed) (13 Feb 2018)

David Norris: I do not know anything about Wexford.

Seanad: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Committee Stage (Resumed) (13 Feb 2018)

David Norris: It is a new one on me.

Seanad: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Committee Stage (Resumed) (13 Feb 2018)

David Norris: There I go all right.

Seanad: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Committee Stage (Resumed) (13 Feb 2018)

David Norris: I do not care unless I get a vote.

Seanad: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Committee Stage (Resumed) (13 Feb 2018)

David Norris: Who grants it?

Seanad: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Committee Stage (Resumed) (13 Feb 2018)

David Norris: Does the Minister of State know who they are?

Seanad: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Committee Stage (Resumed) (13 Feb 2018)

David Norris: Could the Minister of State explain what Athena SWAN is?

Seanad: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Committee Stage (Resumed) (13 Feb 2018)

David Norris: I guess the National University of Ireland, Galway will not get one.

Seanad: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Committee Stage (Resumed) (13 Feb 2018)

David Norris: I thank the Acting Chairman very much. I note with interest that we now have to apply to Britain for recognition of an Irish university. Hurrah for 1916.

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