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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: Before we proceed with any other business, I propose that we go into private session briefly. Is that agreed? Agreed.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: The business before us this afternoon is as follows: minutes, accounts and financial statements, correspondence, work programme and any other business. Before we before deal with minutes and any other business, there is the matter of the correspondence that arrived late yesterday from Radio Teilifís Éireann, RTÉ. We had some prior discussion on this and the committee finds...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: Okay. I thank members for those contributions. I will be clear that this has dragged on over the summer period and it is something that should have been sorted out a lot sooner. We have tried to engage and resolve this matter but in the absence of the key witness, the former director general - and I am not making any judgment on that but the facts are she is not able to attend and is not...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: I thank Mr. McCarthy. Does anyone wish to raise anything about those?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: Are the listing of accounts and financial statements agreed? Agreed. As usual, they will be published as part of our minutes. Next is No. 3, correspondence. As previously agreed, correspondence that is not flagged for discussion at this meeting will continue to be dealt with in accordance with the proposed actions that have been circulated to members. Decisions taken by the committee...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: Okay. Next is No. R2198B, correspondence from Mr. John McKeon, Secretary General of the Department of Social Protection, providing information that we requested regarding the Department’s views on the data protection impact assessment of the public services card. It is proposed to note and publish this correspondence. Is that agreed? Agreed. Deputy Murphy wished to discuss this...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: We can discuss including that as part of our work programme. The matter takes on new importance with the recent court ruling on Domino’s Pizza’s delivery drivers.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: Next is No. R2199B from Ms Fiona Ross, group chair of CIÉ, dated 27 October. This correspondence provides information requested by the committee regarding the CIÉ superannuation scheme. It is proposed to note and publish this correspondence. Is that agreed? Agreed. I flagged this matter for discussion. There are people pensioned out of CIÉ who are in the unusual...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: This is a key issue for those workers who have been caught by it through no fault of their own. Some of them had worked in the company since they were 15 or 16 years of age and now they find themselves in their 70s or 80s with very small pensions and nowhere else to go. If the committee is agreeable, we will do that.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: They are.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: These people are in an unusual position in that they do not have the State pension either. They are not like Bord na Móna workers or county council workers, for example, who have the State pension and superannuation. These workers find themselves in a situation in which this is the only income they have. They are really vulnerable. Thank you for that, Deputy. We will reply to the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: Yes. I take them as headcounts. It states: Table 3 below details the 'gap to staff ceiling' by Staff Category for each Community Healthcare Organisation. The gap to staff ceiling is the distance from/over target i.e. the minus figures. The figures are colour-coded. Members will see that the management figure is listed in red at plus 34. Is that agreeable?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: Do any other members wish to comment on this?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: It was a separate request, but-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: I know.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: We will see if we can get that information. It might be useful as well to ask the HSE, on the basis of the new health areas, what the population would be, as per the last census, in the areas that have seen their boundaries drawn. Has the HSE calculated what the-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: I know that. What I am saying is that the HSE has drawn the boundaries as to where the new regional health areas are. What are the populations in them?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: We will look for those figures for the CHOs anyway.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: Yes. We will ask the HSE to give figures because it has drawn the boundaries, I understand. I am not on the Joint Committee on Health, but my understanding is that that piece of work is done, so, whichever counties are in each CHO, we should be able to determine what way that will break down across the country-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: Population and budgets - that is what we are watching. Thank you for that, Deputy. Moving on, No. R2208 B, from Graham Doyle, Secretary General of the Department of Housing, Local Government and Heritage, dated 26 October, provides further information requested by the committee during the meeting of 1 June. It is proposed to note and publish this item of correspondence. I noted this...

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