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Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: The last 25 years went very quick. In year 26, what happens? Let us say Eir was sold to whoever.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: Is the CRU the only thing that stands between us if somebody bought that company, decided to be bolshy about it and told us to take a running jump and that we could not use that after year 26?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: A new owner could make it difficult.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: There are thousands of miles now, or certainly hundreds of miles, of cable overlaid on top of Eir cable and miles of ducting belonging to Eir.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: Absolutely. That is why I am raising it.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: How much is being paid to Eir? We have one representative on the nine-person board of NBI who represents the public interest. How much is being paid to Eir for use of that infrastructure?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: It would effectively wind up with about a quarter of the cost or little over that. Some 28% or 29% of the cost of the scheme will go to Eir.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: Out of that €2.7 billion, somewhere around €800 million will finish up with Eir.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: It also got the easier-to-reach premises before the scheme was actually contracted out. Mr. Mulligan and I both know bidders were lost over that. Bidders pulled out. Significant bidders like the ESB and so on pulled out after that. Eir would appear to be in a fairly good position if it gets €800 million for use of the infrastructure. It also has the 250,000 easiest to reach homes,...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: The maps show that it owns the doughnut around a lot of towns and villages-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: -----or the doughnut of houses around each one. In other words, you have to get by it.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: It is a good one. Before an election, it is a good news story. I understand that. What I am asking is whether is creates a long-term problem. That is my concern.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: We are good at doing easy wins in this country but we are not that good at looking beyond that. That is the point I am making.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: I agree with Ms Buckley on that. We are going to need strong regulations.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: We have covered a lot of ground. I thank the Department of the Environment, Climate and Communications, the SEAI, and the representative from the Department of Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform, Mr. Cleary, for attending and for the information provided. I know that a lot of work has been done in preparing for this meeting and providing documents. I also...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: Before we proceed with any other business, I propose that we go into private session briefly. Is that agreed? Agreed.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: The business before us this afternoon is as follows: minutes, accounts and financial statements, correspondence, work programme and any other business. Before we before deal with minutes and any other business, there is the matter of the correspondence that arrived late yesterday from Radio Teilifís Éireann, RTÉ. We had some prior discussion on this and the committee finds...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: Okay. I thank members for those contributions. I will be clear that this has dragged on over the summer period and it is something that should have been sorted out a lot sooner. We have tried to engage and resolve this matter but in the absence of the key witness, the former director general - and I am not making any judgment on that but the facts are she is not able to attend and is not...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: I thank Mr. McCarthy. Does anyone wish to raise anything about those?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: Are the listing of accounts and financial statements agreed? Agreed. As usual, they will be published as part of our minutes. Next is No. 3, correspondence. As previously agreed, correspondence that is not flagged for discussion at this meeting will continue to be dealt with in accordance with the proposed actions that have been circulated to members. Decisions taken by the committee...

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